China should not interfere in Indian affairs: IAF

[gubbi]

The Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Mrashal P.K.Barbora PVSM,VM,ADC is quiet a reputed fighter pilot in the IAF - he peroformed a maneuver in a Mig-21 which even the manufacturers did think that the fighter was capable of. His squadron of Mig-21's (of which he was the CO) also defeated a squadron of Jaguar aircraft at the Gunners Meet (India's Top Gun), which was a very commendable given the fact that the Jaguar is a vastly superior aircraft to the Mig and enjoyed a reputation then which is enjoyed by the Su-30 MKI in the IAF today and no one in the IAF had thought that this feat was possible.

Sorry mate, but isnt Jaguar basically a ground attack aircraft as opposed to the highly maneuverable fighter Mig-21? So isnt that a nobrainer that Migs will easily outclass Jaguars in air-air combat?

 

[sathruvinasakh]

with India interfering in Chinese affairs viz viz Tibet, i dont see any reason the Indian airforce to issue such a statement

Jana,
I condemn you statement.
India never interfered in the Tibetan issue.It just offered shelter to the Tibetans showing its own level of open heart.

If not tibetans ,India is ready to offer shelter to pakistanis or any other nationals who dont want to live in their country and are willing to lead a peaceful life on the Indian territory.

On the other hand we didnt offered our land to terrorists ,instead offered to Tibetans who are the peaceful monks and are Buddhists.

If India is to interfere in the Tibetan issue,tibetans would have go independence a way back 1963 after the most unpopular border skirmish by the chinese foot soldiers.
and if that had have happened ,today India and China wont be having any mutual borders and peace might have prevailed in the Sub-continent excluding the Pakistani noise regarding the Kashmir.

If Chinese do want a war ---We are ready.
This time there will be no backfooting or loosing of any inch of Indian land.We will take the war on to the mainland Land china not on tibet.It has to be the demise of communism in PRC.

there is a long due of 62 revenge.
It is only that Chinese are taking the advantage of their economy and military .But their sincerely failed to notice that they are pouring oil on the already burning flames.
This time there will be no backtrack.Only one way which will end with the liberation of Tibet just like what had happened to Pakistan during 71. And if people put a kneen observation both the 65 and 71 wars are any eye opener to the 62 loss.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

I guess some one is already feeling the heat of the burning flames.

China reaches out to BJP, says wants cordial ties with India

China said on Friday that it wanted cordial relations with India as its Ambassador Zhang Yan met Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] President Rajnath Singh in an effort to reach out to the main opposition party amid a war of words between the two countries.

During the meeting, the ambassador told Singh that the boundary issue was a "sensitive matter" and that there was a need for confidence building measures, sources close to the BJP chief said.

Zhang said his country wanted to have cordial relations with India and the media reports about the incursions had aggravated the matter, the sources said.

He said the Communist Party of China and the BJP should work together to play a crucial role in building confidence. Singh, on his part, conveyed his concerns over Chinese objection to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's [ Images ] visit to Arunachal Pradesh, saying it was "unfair".He also told the envoy that mutual confidence had been "dented" by the recent incursions.

At the same time, Singh said the BJP will extend full support to the Indian government in its diplomatic efforts. The meeting came in the midst of a war of words between India and China over Arunachal and New Delhi's [ Images ] assertiveness, reflected by its objection to Chinese participation in projects in Azad Kashmir [ Images ] and construction of a dam on Brahmaputra river.

China reaches out to BJP, says wants cordial ties: Rediff.com India News

 

[Renegade]

Sorry mate, but isnt Jaguar basically a ground attack aircraft as opposed to the highly maneuverable fighter Mig-21? So isnt that a nobrainer that Migs will easily outclass Jaguars in air-air combat?

Jaguar is a more advanced class of aircraft than the Mig-21 pretty much in any role. It has been adapted principally as ground attack aircraft by the IAF due to its range and also due to the presence of Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 fighters in the IAF now. But when the Jaguar was inducted in the IAF it was most capable aircraft in both the IAF and the PAF. It was the induction of the Jaguar by the IAF that forced the Pakistanis to procure the F-16.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

Jaguar is a deep penetration strike aircraft with adaptable self defence.It carries good enough AAM`s .IAF Jaguars are deeply modified compared to those operated by other countries(currently only Oman).Its low RCS gives its another advantage to fly deep into enemies airspace.Along with that Jaguar can fly below the tree top height which makes detection impossible to ground based radars.And its dual engines are another advantage to fly fast after dropping of bombs ,be it conventional/nuclear.

 

[gubbi]

Jaguar is a more advanced class of aircraft than the Mig-21 pretty much in any role. It has been adapted principally as ground attack aircraft by the IAF due to its range and also due to the presence of Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 fighters in the IAF now. But when the Jaguar was inducted in the IAF it was most capable aircraft in both the IAF and the PAF. It was the induction of the Jaguar by the IAF that forced the Pakistanis to procure the F-16.

Yes, Jaguar is an advanced aircraft to the Mig-21's. But the design concept of both these aircraft were different.
Jaguars IIRC, were developed to replace the Phantom F-4s for strike and CAS roles, making them essentially ground attack aircraft from the ground up.
OTOH, Mig-21s were a continuation of SU designs for a fast attack/interceptor/fighter aircraft - basically an air-air role - with very short legs. A comparison between a Mi-27 and a Jaguar (both strike aircraft) is more appropriate.
All the above planes are considered to be 3rd generation jet aircraft!
IIRC Pakistani procurement of F-16s had nothing to do with IAF's Jaguars.

 

[New Vision]

For those "Indians" living in AP, their rent is long overdue.

Can anyone tell me exactly on what basis is the Chinese claim to Auranchal Pradesh. The next thing they will do is claim the whole of Indian, there is no stopping anyone from claiming and having wet dreams. I dont think India ever invaded China and annexed AP, so where is the justification of the claim.

 

[Spitfighter]

These are just words, China, like India, knows that this isn't the time to fight. Just psychological warfare/propaganda. Their enemies are far bigger than our own. Besides, India has just started its decade long build up against China, we'll see where things stand by 2020.

Jana: You can keep hoping and praying that the Chinese pull a 1971 on India, but the fact is that India is simply too big to be manhandled in such a fashion. China knows that it will be better off without an enemy like India. Furthermore they have no reason to fight us when Pakistan seems so willing. In the mean time you can keep praising their progress and occasional diplomatic frays with India. At least this way you will realize that Pakistan is incapable of taking on India at this juncture and probably will be in the future too with the way things are going at the moment. Indians cheer only for India.

 

[pmukherjee]

with India interfering in Chinese affairs viz viz Tibet, i dont see any reason the Indian airforce to issue such a statement

We assure you that your considered reasoning shall be conveyed to the IAF. I am sure the Indian Air Chief will give due consideration to your reasoning.

 

[New Vision]

Recover it if you can or else have some logical discussion.

Arunachal voted more than Maharashtra. I thought that was quite enough.

GB

I dont think the Chinese understand that. They have never voted

 

[arihant]

with India interfering in Chinese affairs viz viz Tibet, i dont see any reason the Indian airforce to issue such a statement

As far as I know, I have not heard about Tibet, very long. So, its basically rest there. Or I might wrong as they might have ban on media for that.

 

[New Vision]

Fine then, we will surrender our territory to genghis khan's today's Mogolia; And you invite British to come over and rule. Americans surrender their USA to Spaniards; Canada gives their land back to native Indians. Germans re-kowtow to the Italians; and Iranians give their land back to Turks. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I think it's not that insane.

Yes I think it is insane and you just proved it. All the countries you quoted did go and annex other lands we didnt, we have been here centuries it is the land we have lived in forever and not annexed

 

[New Vision]

I won't give what you want to hear. But I will give you this instead, In most times, only money is relevant in political decisions. As far as freedom and democracy is concerned, if you have no money, your only freedom in a democratic country is to sit your *** there all day, and maybe, using fat fingers typing.

If you have a problem with CCP take it to TianAnMen square see what happens. Don't like Saudis? You can't come close to Saudi embassy in Washington per Michael Moore's movie scene.

A. Stupid American kids went out on streets in 1960'(1969)s.
B. Stupid Chinese kids went out on streets in 1980'(1989)s,
C. Stupid Iranian kids went out on streets in 2000'(2009)s.

2020(2029), India cares to try?

There is a reason why all countries are led by their elders. Think about it. If you are confused, I suggest consult your father first.

You find your own way.

Amazing ! Amazing ! after living in the US. I can go with you that the nation be led by elders. But in my nation and other democratic ones, we elect those elders, not some one imposed upon me. Tiananmen sqaure absolutely confirms what we are saying. There is an underlying thirst for democracy even in China, obviously subdued.
As far as the matter of money is concerned, are you telling me the Chinese are rich. China may be rich but not necessarily the Chinese.

 

[New Vision]

Okay, getting back to the topic as why China should not intefere in Indias internal affairs. Firstly, there is no need for animosity by these two asian giants. Constructive friendship between the two can increase Chinas weight in international matters and similarly Indias. Further they can jointly strive via the UN to achieve more for the developing world. Presently I dont think we have any political issues with China except the boundary. Lets face it China is expansionist. They even took the land of Kashmir, which the so called defenders of Kashmir shamelessly gave it to them. Moreover these latest Chinese moves have done it no good, because all it has done is alerted the Indians who vividly remember 1962 and dont want that to happen again. Much has changed since 1962. If the Chinese think its going to be a walk over, I suggest they rethink. I think they already know that. Mutual trade and cooperation is the way to go for both countries not confrontation. China will not win, on the contrary it may destroy its image and cause a lot of resentment among its bordering neighbours

 

[gpit]

Apparently Arunachal is in India and hence part of India. The recent voting was a further slap.

India haven't taken Arunachal by force (like China took Tibet).

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GB

Please clean up your false democratic propaganda! Read Indian Army Major General Niranjan Prasad's <the Fall of Towang 1962>. Understand what is "Operation Onkar".


Further, get some more useful facts about "17 Point Agreement" of 1951 if you dare to show your knowledge/ignorance on Tibet issue.