China should ditch BRICS for Pakistan

[beijingwalker]

Yeh sure, without EU Greece and Poland would be 'Upper Saharan Europe' with poverty and famine rampant. Now that might be harsh but it conveys my point. Did you know that Greeks and Italians were nearly starving to death but Churchill shipped wheat to help them while India suffered the Bengal Famine.

If Pakistan recieved half of what EU delivers to countries that gained entry like Poland or Romania trust me it would be economic tiger. I see these Poles and Romanians leaching off EU.

As soon as they joined huge companies in UK like Tesco, Asda shifted many of their operations to Poland. This meant massive investment and markey access. In addition $100s of billions in grants have been sunk into these countries to raise their infra and living standards to EU levels.

The only thing Poles and Romanians did was sign on the dotted line and show their white skins as passports.

Hard works my balls ...... !!!

@MajesticPug

You are exaggerating, Greece was still a much rich country than China back then when the country was in that economic crisis, a crisis usually always passes after a couple of years and won't kill a country. The International community bailed out Greece and China also did her part, Greece was not bailed out by a single country. Greece and Poland are always pretty developed and have good industrial basis and foreign trade which set them apart from Pakistan, that bailout only helped them to get back on their feet, not got them rich from nothing.

China did her best to bail out Pakistan when Pakistan is in trouble, not once, not twice, but how many times does the country need those bailouts? it can not always go on like this, blaming China for not helping Pakistan enough is ridiculous, do you really think at the present situation anyone can make any difference of the country by giving out tons of free money?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You are exaggerating, Greece was still a much rich country than China back then when the country was in that economic crisis, a crisis usually always passes after a couple of years and won't kill a country. The International community bailed out Greece and China also did her part, Greece was not bailed out by a single country. Greece and Poland are always pretty developed and have good industrial basis and foreign trade which set them apart from Pakistan, that bailout only helped them to get back on their feet, not got them rich from nothing.

Why are you comparing Greece with China? The issue here is the West [USA/Western Europe] are far more magnanimous then China is and ever will be to their 'inner circle' buddies.

Yes, Greece or even Poland were more developed then Pakistan but that again goes back to massive Western help accorded to them going back to WW2 and in fact way back for Greece since she won independance from Ottomans.

These Eastern European countries have leached off the Western Europe and Americas for last few centuries. Do you know the number of Poles and Eastern European migrants in USA who were the 'excess' population that found green pastures in the newly virgin teritories of USA?

The fact is and I am quite read up on this since 2000 the aid, grants, trade access including even opening doors to Poles, Romanians etc in the billions has contributed what is wealth tranfer in the $100s of billions far eclipsing the paltry billiions you guys have given to China.

The Chinese government coud easily nudge it's corporate sector to invest in Pakistan - a process far easier in China given the far more direct hold of the state in the economy then West can.

Despite that Western companies have flooded into Eastern Europe as part of the politically motivated process to bring them into the Western orbit. A process that now has ran into trouble in Ukraine.

 

[Communism]

Why are you comparing Greece with China? The issue here is the West [USA/Western Europe] are far more magnanimous then China is and ever will be to their 'inner circle' buddies.

Yes, Greece or even Poland were more developed then Pakistan but that again goes back to massive Western help accorded to them going back to WW2 and in fact way back for Greece since she won independance from Ottomans.

These Eastern European countries have leached off the Western Europe and Americas for last few centuries. Do you know the number of Poles and Eastern European migrants in USA who were the 'excess' population that found green pastures in the newly virgin teritories of USA?

The fact is and I am quite read up on this since 2000 the aid, grants, trade access including even opening doors to Poles, Romanians etc in the billions has contributed what is wealth tranfer in the $100s of billions far eclipsing the paltry billiions you guys have given to China.

The Chinese government coud easily nudge it's corporate sector to invest in Pakistan - a process far easier in China given the far more direct hold of the state in the economy then West can.

Despite that Western companies have flooded into Eastern Europe as part of the politically motivated process to bring them into the Western orbit. A process that now has ran into trouble in Ukraine.

If you would rather the U.S. model be implemented by China, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the result, lol.

Those eastern european countries were moulded to be exactly what the EU and the US modeled them to be, and if China did the same thing, then Pakistan would be China Jr.

Does pakistan really want that?

I highly doubt it.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

China- a country rife with pedophilia and sexual abuse stopped sharing it's rape statistics because it was too scared of what the world will think of it's dirty depraved society.

Pedophilia is a cultural and legally accepted degeneracy in modern China
Lawmakers urge raising age of consent

National legislators and political advisers have called for lifting the age of sexual consent from the current 14 years of age to 16.

"Sex education is scarce in China and a lot of girls are not aware of how they should be protected at the age of 14," said Zhu Lieyu, a lawyer from Guangdong province and a deputy to the National People's Congress.

A CCP politburo member can legally have a harem of 14 year old Chinese girls and engage orgies with no consequence


Mao himself participated in such behavior
The Tyrant Mao, as Told by His Doctor

"By the early 1960's, as his power rose to new heights, he rarely complained about impotence," Dr. Li writes. "At the height of the Cultural Revolution in the 1960's, he and Jiang Qing were sexually estranged, but Mao had no problems with the young women he brought to his bed -- their numbers increasing and their average ages declining as Mao attempted to add years to his life according to the imperial formula."

And when bored had plans of exporting them
Mao offered 10m women for trade with US

Even considered the Japanese Nanking rapes a "great favour" for China
Mao Zedong thought Japan did the Communist Party a great favour by invading China. Can Hong Kong agree with that?

Well... Just so you should know, China being a potty country of rapey rapey slaves doesn't even make it's statistics public. What a dumb wumao!

They become public elsewhere

Chinese sex trafficking gangs called Triads with backing from Chinese Govt sell Chinese children into sexual slavery

Chinese Triad gangs trafficking women into Ireland for sex industry – cables

The cables also disclosed strong Chinese involvement in the trafficking of children, some of whom end up working as sex slaves in brothels.

Canadian intelligence uncovered the nexus between Chinese Govt and these groups

Chinese Intelligence Services and Triads Financial Links in Canada

 

[WotTen]

Pedophilia is a cultural and legally accepted degeneracy in modern Chinese

Age of consent is 14 in many European countries.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Age of consent is 14 in many European countries.

Interesting

 

[WotTen]

Look, it's time we were honest about China. You people with one stroke of a pen sort out the problems of your 'iron brother'. No don;t give money. You could just simply give trade preferance. Even 1% of your market would float Pakistan. That simple.

It's time we were honest about Pakistan. Always blaming others for our problems. First we need to make the products that consumers want and they will buy.

Some Pakistanis say that Pakistan will become a rich wonderland if only we could open trade with India. Meanwhile, they haven't even begun to scratch the Middle Eastern market while India rakes in the big bucks from there.

P.S. I know some people in Africa who wanted to import stuff to their local market. They contacted the Pakistani and Indian embassies for help. The Indians responded with lots of help. The Pakistanis, well I don't need to say anything more, we all know...

 

[MH.Yang]

With all due respect, the SCO is a geopolitical organization. We should really find a way to get India out of the SCO.
However, BRICS is an economic organization, which represents the global emerging economies. India is a very important member of BRICS.
Personally, I think the BRICS countries should be composed of these seven countries: China, Russia, India, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan.

 

[etylo]

With all due respect, the SCO is a geopolitical organization. We should really find a way to get India out of the SCO.
However, BRICS is an economic organization, which represents the global emerging economies. India is a very important member of BRICS.
Personally, I think the BRICS countries should be composed of these seven countries: China, Russia, India, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan.

Kick India the spoiler out of BRICKS since it is anti-China, wants to be and is a member of the Western camp. New BRIC+ should include China, Russia, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, Argentina, Egypt and Kazakhstan, all the important and like-minded countries.

 

[MH.Yang]

Kick India the spoiler out of BRICKS since it is anti-China, wants to be and is a member of the Western camp. BRCS + should include Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, Argentina, Egypt and Kazakhstan, all the important and like-minded countries.

Economy is economy and politics is politics. Our economic relationship with Japan has been very close and stable, hasn't it?

Our struggle with India in South Asia does not mean that we cannot cooperate with it on other issues. For example, Russia.

In fact, India is also an important member of emerging economies. If they want to grow, they will inevitably conflict with countries with vested interests in the old world economic order.

Russia's oil problem is just a beginning. They will find that more and more of their demands are not in line with the interests of the West. Just like the way we went.

Moreover, the Russian issue also shows us that Indians still have the courage to defend their own interests in front of western countries. As long as they have the courage to pursue interests and are not new colonies plundered and exploited by western countries at will, we can at least maintain economic relations.

On the contrary, those countries that clearly need Russian energy but dare not even be neutral, we can give up saving them directly. They dare not even fight for their own economic interests. Can you expect them to protect your economic interests?

 

[帅的一匹]

BRICS is not a NATO-like alliance.

India's one of the most important trading partners of China.

Pakistan's value to China is naturally limited in peace times.

Pakistanis are aliens to the Chinese, culturally, religiously, ethnically and in any other way you can think of.

The ChCP would sell you in a heartbeat if it would help secure its power.

To sum it up: How old are you?

Those give likes to your post don’t have clear mind.

Kick India the spoiler out of BRICKS since it is anti-China, wants to be and is a member of the Western camp. New BRIC+ should include China, Russia, Brazil, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, Argentina, Egypt and Kazakhstan, all the important and like-minded countries.

India is not in west camp although they have land dispute with China. We can do business with them, but it’s hard to build trust. On the other way, Pakistan is our friend and we have mutual trust as always.

 

[etylo]

Economy is economy and politics is politics. Our economic relationship with Japan has been very close and stable, hasn't it?

Our struggle with India in South Asia does not mean that we cannot cooperate with it on other issues. For example, Russia.

In fact, India is also an important member of emerging economies. If they want to grow, they will inevitably conflict with countries with vested interests in the old world economic order.

Russia's oil problem is just a beginning. They will find that more and more of their demands are not in line with the interests of the West. Just like the way we went.

Moreover, the Russian issue also shows us that Indians still have the courage to defend their own interests in front of western countries. As long as they have the courage to pursue interests and are not new colonies plundered and exploited by western countries at will, we can at least maintain economic relations.

That's why Japan is not a member of Chinese AIIB and not a partner of Chinese BRI since it is pro-US and Anti-China to the bone.

 

[帅的一匹]

China is not an emotional country, but we do have passion for our friends. That’s why we keep build economy cooperation with Pakistan and provide support for Pakistan military development.
And we don’t have similar relationship pattern with India.

 

[beijingwalker]

China and Russia need to get India out, otherwise this group goes nowhere in the future, it'll be divided, fractious, not being able to make any concerted schemes or resolutions.

 

[etylo]

China and Russia need to get India out, otherwise this group goes nowhere in the future, it'll be divided, fractious, not being able to make any concerted schemes or efforts.

Exactly. India is anti-China, wants to be and is a member of the West camp.