China sends patrol ship into disputed South China Sea

[Way to go]

Japanese troops in North Vietnam surrendered to China also.

 

[Martian2]

I have shared my view on the South China Sea with many interested parties, including the official U.S. Department of Defense website (i.e. notice the ".gov" designation).

Defense.gov News Article: U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes

"U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 21, 2011 – The United States, like the rest of the world, has a deep interest in ensuring freedom of navigation in the South China Sea and in helping defuse tensions over territorial disputes there, a senior defense official said yesterday.
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6/21/2011 1:04:54 PM
Vietnamese and Filipinos should stop encroaching on thousand-year-old Chinese territory in the South China Sea. Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes "The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China." "China 618~1279 * There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."
- China Lee, Boston"

 

[Peter]

I have shared my view on the South China Sea with many interested parties, including the official U.S. Department of Defense website (i.e. notice the ".gov" designation).

Defense.gov News Article: U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes

"U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 21, 2011 – The United States, like the rest of the world, has a deep interest in ensuring freedom of navigation in the South China Sea and in helping defuse tensions over territorial disputes there, a senior defense official said yesterday.
...
6/21/2011 1:04:54 PM
Vietnamese and Filipinos should stop encroaching on thousand-year-old Chinese territory in the South China Sea. Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes "The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China." "China 618~1279 * There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."
- China Lee, Boston"

Funny isn't it?

One Chinese said:

i still believe what i first post, han/chinese is a pure-blooded ethnic group.
wiki can not be 100% perfect. wiki != truth

Yet another Chinese used Wiki as the TRUTH?

 

[Peter]

The reason I posted my five-step process for China's decapitation of Hanoi is the approaching drums of war. China is patient, but their patience has limits.

In 1962, India did not heed China's warning to stop moving the border posts into Chinese territory. In response, the PLA destroyed the Indian Army and opened the road to New Delhi. We are about to witness a repeat of 1962. However, I believe this is different.

Hanoi had already been forewarned in 1979 not to challenge China. This time, when the PLA opens the road to Hanoi, they will burn down the Vietnamese capital to send a stern message: Defy Beijing at your peril.

Quote from China's Global Times: "China will first deal with it with maritime police forces, and if necessary, strike back with naval forces." We may yet see Chinese Rolling Thunder over Hanoi!

The Russians smashed the Georgians. The Americans are bombing the bejesus out of Iraqis, Afghans, and Libyans. It's finally China's turn to demonstrate its Great Power status! Vietnam is volunteering to be China's opponent.

China must react to Vietnam's provocation

"China must react to Vietnam's provocation
Global Times | June 21, 2011 03:06
By Global Times

The ongoing disputes about the South China Sea mostly originate from Vietnam. The biggest challenge of China's insistence on a peaceful solution can also be laid at Vietnam's door.

Depending on how the situation develops, China has to be ready for two plans: negotiate with Vietnam for a peaceful solution, or answer the provocation with political, economic or even military counterstrikes. We have to be clear about the possibility of the second option, so as to let Vietnam remain sober about the South China Sea issue.

Vietnam has been taking risky actions in the South China Sea for some time. It has occupied 29 Chinese islands. It has been gaining the most benefits from undersea natural gas and oil exploitation. It is also the most aggressive in dealing with China.

Vietnam is the major advocate of inviting the US into the South China Sea as a "balance." Its government is also consenting to a growing nationalistic sentiment among its people. Hanoi has been setting a bad example in Southeast Asia.

Vietnam has been trapped in an unrealistic belief that as long as the US balances out the South China Sea issue, it can openly challenge China's sovereignty, and walk away with huge gains.

In previous military conflicts between the two countries, China tried hard to show restraint. But that seems to have only made Vietnam more daring still. Vietnam's interpretation of China's peaceful policy appears to be that whatever Vietnam does, China will refrain from using force.

Since a limited military conflict with China over the South China Sea in 1988, Vietnam has been increasingly aggressive in grabbing islands as its own, ignoring China's traditional policy of "shelving disputes and developing jointly." It is pushing the limits of China's national interest and dignity.

China has to send a clear message that it will take whatever measures necessary to protect its interests in the South China Sea. If Vietnam continues to provoke China in this region, China will first deal with it with maritime police forces, and if necessary, strike back with naval forces.

China should clearly state that if it decides to fight back, it will also take back the islands previously occupied by Vietnam. If Vietnam wants to start a war, China has the confidence to destroy invading Vietnam battleships, despite possible objections from the international community.

The US may add some uncertainty in the South China Sea. China will handle this carefully, and is not likely to engage in a direct confrontation with the US.

China's rise has come at the cost of increasing strategic risks in the south. China will continue its dedication to peace and development, but it has to be ready to face confrontation and showdown. The provocation from Vietnam may become a touchstone."

Taking a stand

South China Morning Post
18-6-11



Taking a stand
Jonathan London weighs the consequences of Vietnam's spirited rejection of China's aggressive territorial claims, and warns that the row could inflame nationalists and lead to open conflict


Jonathan London

Recent developments in the western Pacific have alarm bells ringing in capitals around the region and beyond. After being bullied one too many times, Vietnam is confronting Beijing's transgressions. At issue are Beijing's efforts to enforce its illegitimate territorial claims. These efforts have now hit a nerve. And their outcome is profoundly uncertain.

At the root of the problem is Beijing's claim of sovereignty over 90 per cent of the South China Sea, a geographical designation laden with European and Chinese imperial history. The world, Beijing insists, must accept that virtually the entirety of the region is Chinese territory. Vietnam, it further insists, must seek its permission to ply waters within Vietnam's own internationally recognised exclusive economic zone. These claims are problematic indeed.

The current storm has been brewing for some time. In 1974, Beijing illegally seized the Paracel islands in a brief but bloody skirmish with forces of the fading Republic of Vietnam. Over the past decade, Beijing has deployed an increasingly large and aggressive flotilla of fishing-military-surveillance vessels in a bid to enforce its claims through a co-ordinated campaign of coercion and intimidation.

This campaign has featured the periodic seizure and theft of Vietnamese craft, and the physical beating and illegal detention of scores of Vietnamese seamen, whom China detains for ransom. In the past, Hanoi has downplayed these incidents.
So, what has changed? In some respects, nothing. Vietnam is dwarfed by China and relations between the two countries will always be asymmetric. Though China had occupied what is today northern Vietnam for a thousand years, Vietnam had always resisted Chinese projections of power.

Indeed, the misdeeds, mistakes, and crimes of France and the United States in Vietnam in the 20th century were particularly violent deviations from a much longer narrative of resistance to Chinese imperialism.

But the world is now a smaller place. There are resources in the disputed waters that governments in both countries covet. The waters in dispute are an important strategic shipping lane. And now Beijing is challenging Hanoi's right to its own exclusive economic zone.

At first glance, it would appear that Vietnam has little chance of checking Beijing's designs on the western Pacific. But Vietnam has played underdog before, one may recall. And Hanoi has at least three advantages.

First, there is international law, which would appear to favour Vietnam. No doubt, Chinese and Vietnamese have been active in some of the disputed waters for centuries. But a large part of China's claims have no basis in international law and the actions Beijing has taken to enforce its illegitimate claims are correspondingly illegal. Whether international law could be enforced is an open question. Second, Vietnam has on its side the court of international opinion. This may or may not matter. Time will tell. What is clear is that Hanoi has changed its tack with encouraging results.

Past Vietnamese leaders' reticence to call out Beijing on its illegal activities has given way to a more forceful, dignified and appropriate response. Though perilous, Vietnam's recent attempts to internationalise the conflict have been effective indeed. The United States has become an interested party to the conflict, much to Beijing's chagrin.

Third, Vietnam's emerging strategic diplomacy may counter China's threats. These include, most notably, Hanoi's warming ties with the United States and its rejuvenated military ties with Russia. Asean may well be too fragmented by its complex relations with China to help, though the Philippines has also objected strenuously to Beijing's actions. What is the tangible significance of these ties?

The Vietnamese know from history not to trust foreign powers. But the Vietnamese are also confronted with an unusual opportunity to build an effective international coalition of support in defence of its legitimate sovereign claims. In essence, Vietnam no longer stands alone in its opposition to Chinese imperialism.

All this seems lost on Beijing, which in its self-aggrandisement misreads Vietnam and the world. Take recent comments by the Singapore-based mainland academic Wang Hanling, an expert on oceanic affairs, who had this to say: "If the big brother bullies the younger brother it is not good and is something that should not happen, [but] if the younger brother challenges or bullies the older brother, it's just ridiculous." This colourful quip may appear thoughtful at first glance. Read more closely, it reflects a paternalistic attitude of Chinese entitlement that the Vietnamese have long resisted.

So, what is next? The situation is worrisome indeed. We can expect pronouncements from Beijing about "Vietnamese transgressions" and no doubt ominous warnings of consequences that Hanoi cannot take lightly. Nor is it unlikely that Beijing will provoke further incidents and possibly sink ships. The Vietnamese may well respond in kind.

This would be followed by a fanning of street protests in both countries and demands for violent retribution. How the US, Russia or the Association of Southeast Asian Nations might respond is hard to know. It is difficult to envisage any de-escalation at this point. It is clear that Vietnam does not fear China and will act to protect its legitimate rights. But what will Beijing do? Creative multilateral solutions need to be found, but Beijing appears opposed to any that will undermine its ambitions or challenge its claims. Its most recent statement, that it would "not resort to the use of force or the threat of force" should be viewed sceptically, as it contradicts the spirit of its deeds and skirts the fundamental problem, which is its outsized and unwarranted territorial claims.
Beijing needs to rethink its policies, which are on the whole arrogant, belligerent and illegal. Alas, this seems unlikely. So the question becomes one of how open conflict and violence can be avoided. Any answers?

Jonathan D. London is a professor of sociology at the City University of Hong Kong

 

[gpit]

Funny isn't it?

One Chinese said:



Yet another Chinese used Wiki as the TRUTH?

It is not "funny", rather it is encouraging that Chinese have different opinions among themselves.

Unlike in USA, once crusaders utter a lie (such as Saddam has WMD), people followed the trend, even when it is known that is a lie.

 

[Peter]

It is not "funny", rather it is encouraging that Chinese have different opinions among themselves.

Unlike in USA, once crusaders utter a lie (such as Saddam has WMD), people followed the trend, even when it is known that is a lie.

Saddam is a dictator to many of Iraqi people, that why people followed the trend, even when it is known that The Words of Mass Deception.

What is China's The Words of Mass Deception about Southeast Asia Sea?

 

[Martian2]

During the 1982 Falkland Islands War, the United States rejected Argentina's argument of physical proximity. Instead, the United States supported British military efforts to assert its historical claims of discovery and sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Similarly, the United States should publicly announce its support of China's 1,000-year-old historical claims and territorial sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and area. If the United States fails to reinforce the international-law principle that historical title trumps proximity then the world will degenerate into chaos.

If the Vietnamese and Filipinos are permitted to encroach on sovereign Chinese South China Sea territory then the Argentines will be encouraged to launch a second Falkland Islands War. Also, the Spaniards will use the proximity argument and militarily attempt to eject the British from Gibraltar. The Turks will grab the nearby Greek Dodecanese Islands. Last, but not least, the Moroccans will try to seize the proximate Spanish territory of Ceuta.

Wars will break out all over the world if proximity is permitted to supersede historical title.

 

[NiceGuy]

During the 1982 Falkland Islands War, the United States rejected Argentina's argument of physical proximity. Instead, the United States supported British military efforts to assert its historical claims of discovery and sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Similarly, the United States should publicly announce its support of China's 1,000-year-old historical claims and territorial sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and area. If the United States fails to reinforce the international-law principle that historical title trumps proximity then the world will degenerate into chaos.

If the Vietnamese and Filipinos are permitted to encroach on sovereign Chinese South China Sea territory then the Argentines will be encouraged to launch a second Falkland Islands War. Also, the Spaniards will use the proximity argument and militarily attempt to eject the British from Gibraltar. The Turks will grab the nearby Greek Dodecanese Islands. Last, but not least, the Moroccans will try to seize the proximate Spanish territory of Ceuta.

Wars will break out all over the world if proximity is permitted to supersede historical title.

So, we're drilling inside China's Red line now, what can China do ??Send some Copied J-crafts with inexeprience pilots ??we shoot them dow all with Mis 21 .^^

Hope Exxon mobil will help VN to drill in deep water , Russian's tech just not good enough

 

[Brotherhood]

So, we're drilling inside China's Red line now, what can China do ??Send some Copied J-crafts with inexeprience pilots ??we shoot them dow all with Mis 21 .^^

Hope Exxon mobil will help VN to drill in deep water , Russian's tech just not good enough

Hmm, what an idiotic question, what can we do? haven't we shown you what could be done in 1988? Perhaps you should have ask yourself a simple question, what have you done after the so-called massacre of South-China sea?
I bet your pilots are much more experienced? seriously how old are they, 60?
Just wonder who will still be interesting in drilling oil for you viets if some repeating of 1988 "live target practicing" ever occurred?

 

[NiceGuy]

Hmm, what an idiotic question, what can we do? haven't we shown you what could be done in 1988? Perhaps you should have ask yourself a simple question, what have you done after the so-called massacre of South-China sea?
I bet your pilots are much more experienced? seriously how old are they, 60?
Just wonder who will still be interesting in drilling oil for you viets if some repeating of 1988 "live target practicing" ever occurred?

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1.Can China do again like 1988 ??now we have lots of weapons can blow those tiny Islands away in minutes.^^

2.My pilots have well training from Experience general who can shoot dow B-52 with Mig 21, and F-4 phantom with Mig 17, your pilots's skill surely worse than us .^^

 

[gpit]

 

[gpit]

 

[NiceGuy]

Việt Nam sắp sản xuất siêu tên lửa Yakhont
...................
Nga đang chuẩn bị hợp đồng hỗ trợ Việt Nam sản xuất tên lửa chống hạm Yakhont. Hợp đồng này trị giá ước 300 triệu USD.

(Vietnam about to produce super missile Yakhont

Russia is preparing to support Vietnam's contract in manufacturing Yakhont anti-ship missiles. This contract agreement worth 300 million USD)
VIETNAMDEFENCE.COM | Vi

No China's ships can run away :vn:

 

[NiceGuy]

Protection from the antiship missile "Yakhont" does not exist,

the Russian producers of sea armaments they present in the world armorer market the version of antiship missile with artificial intelligence "Yakhont".As the experts of the academy of military sciences reported today Itar- TASS, "Yakhont" it was intended for dealing with the sea aircraft-carrying groupings and has the most perfect guidance system:with the salvo fire of the rocket they themselves classify targets/purposes according to the importance, are selected the tactics of attack and the plan/layout of its conducting.After destroying main target/purpose, rockets attack the other craft according to diagram "one ship - one rocket".During the next decades not one fleet of the world will have the combat means with this Russian weapon.According to the tactical-technical characteristics the "Yakhont" considerably exceeds rockets like the "harpoon" (USA), "otomat" (Italy), "Exocet" (France)."Yakhont" weighs 3 tons (length - 8,9 m, diameter - 0,7 m).Flying range - is more than 300 km at the speed almost three times of that exceeding the speed of sound.The weight of the warhead of the rocket - 200 kg. with the target approach "Yakhont" is reduced above the sea surface to 1,5 m. in the opinion of experts, "Yakhont" will not have competitors on the world market for weapon into nearest quarter of century.

Protection from the antiship missile "Yakhont" does not exist, page 1

 

[Rechoice]

I have shared my view on the South China Sea with many interested parties, including the official U.S. Department of Defense website (i.e. notice the ".gov" designation).

Defense.gov News Article: U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes

"U.S. Urges Negotiation in South China Sea Disputes


By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 21, 2011 – The United States, like the rest of the world, has a deep interest in ensuring freedom of navigation in the South China Sea and in helping defuse tensions over territorial disputes there, a senior defense official said yesterday.
...
6/21/2011 1:04:54 PM
Vietnamese and Filipinos should stop encroaching on thousand-year-old Chinese territory in the South China Sea. Source: Wikipedia article on Paracel Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes "The coast belonged to the Kingdom of Cauchi China." "China 618~1279 * There are some Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras[12][note 1], and there is some evidence of Chinese habitation on the islands in these periods.[13]."
- China Lee, Boston"

The Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands found if it may be, there is goods for business in that time. However every one know that East See is the region with many storm, the commercial vessels from Meddle East bought some product of China and got the storm and was damaged there.
China could bring from mainland and lies about that.