China: SCS ADIZ is an Option

[Zsari]

I don't think ADIZ is a good idea in SCS. It would unnecessarily escalate an already tense situation. Best thing for China to do is complete the construction on those airfields located on the three islands. After Mischief, Fiery Cross and Subi airfields are completed, they will be China's Guam in SCS.

One should have a continuous ADIZ around its border, or at least along its entire coastal line in order for it to be an effective security tool. Just to have one for the East China Sea doesn't really do much. So ADIZ in the SCS is an eventuality. While you think the timing is not proper currently, others can argue that announcing ADIZ out of the blue would cause more unduly attention than right now where its already at a high point anyway, and would also send a message across.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

In the end:

Island are being developed.

New flight routes are being added.

PH and VN are being chased away from China's waters.

ADIZ is being cooked and will be announced when China thinks it is the right time.

Capacity build up continues unhampered. This is what is needed by China at the moment. Invaded lands will be incrementally added to complete sovereignty.

The verdict was that there are no islands, just a couple of reefs...

 

[leviathan]

The verdict was that there are no islands, just a couple of reefs...

The Islands have three 3km air runway on them... and the verdict is just a paper.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The verdict was that there are no islands, just a couple of reefs...

We only accept only accept verdict or from GOD, who the F** these people think they're?

 

[terranMarine]

You don't hear these bozo criticizing Japan regarding Okinotori.
http://theowp.org/islands-in-the-sea-or-rocks/

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You don't hear these bozo criticizing Japan regarding Okinotori.
http://theowp.org/islands-in-the-sea-or-rocks/

Because American pay them to shut up.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Islands have three 3km air runway on them... and the verdict is just a paper.

These reefs have been artificially extended by filling, which does not change their status as reefs.

 

[S10]

These reefs have been artificially extended by filling, which does not change their status as reefs.

This is Taiping Island, currently controlled by Taiwan. It has been ruled as a "rock" by this clown tribunal, even though it is clearly an island and has its own freshwater supply. This is all that needs to be said about how much of a joke this tribunal is.

Furthermore, this kangaroo court is not affiliated with any formal UN organization and only rents the same building as International Court of Justice in Hague. Throwing around the name "Hague Tribunal" is clearly a misrepresentation designed to deceived idiotic believers into thinking it is a legitimate international body. The UN body responsible for maritime disputes is International Tribunal for the Laws of the Sea (ITLOS), which is created from drafting of UNCLOS.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You don't hear these bozo criticizing Japan regarding Okinotori.
http://theowp.org/islands-in-the-sea-or-rocks/

Feel free to go to the Permanent Court of Arbitration and have a verdict...

 

[HongWu002]

Feel free to go to the Permanent Court of Arbitration and have a verdict...

We will arrest, try and convict the PCA judges, so your proposal is not possible.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This is Taiping Island, currently controlled by Taiwan. It has been ruled as a "rock" by this clown tribunal, even though it is clearly an island and has its own freshwater supply. This is all that needs to be said about how much of a joke this tribunal is.

Furthermore, this kangaroo court is not affiliated with any formal UN organization and only rents the same building as International Court of Justice in Hague. Throwing around the name "Hague Tribunal" is clearly a misrepresentation designed to deceived idiotic believers into thinking it is a legitimate international body. The UN body responsible for maritime disputes is International Tribunal for the Laws of the Sea (ITLOS), which is created from drafting of UNCLOS.

United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which came into force on November 16, 1994, is an international treaty that provides a regulatory framework for the use of the world’s seas and oceans, inter alia, to ensure the conservation and equitable usage of resources and the marine environment and to ensure the protection and preservation of the living resources of the sea. UNCLOS also addresses such other matters as sovereignty, rights of usage in maritime zones, and navigational rights. As of January 10 2014, 166 States have ratified, acceded to, or succeeded to, UNCLOS. The full text and status of UNCLOS can be accessed through the United Nations Division for Oceans Affairs and the Law of the Sea.

UNCLOS sets forth in Part XV rules for the resolution of disputes between State Parties arising out of the interpretation or application of UNCLOS. Pursuant to Article 287(1) of UNCLOS, when signing, ratifying, or acceding to UNCLOS, a State may make a declaration choosing one or more of the following means for settling such disputes:

• the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) in Hamburg, Germany;
• the International Court of Justice in The Hague, The Netherlands;
• ad hoc arbitration (in accordance with Annex VII of UNCLOS); or
• a “special arbitral tribunal” constituted for certain categories of disputes (established under Annex VIII of UNCLOS).

We will arrest, try and convict the PCA judges, so your proposal is not possible.

It is quite clear that China does not want a legal examination of its claims.
Wonder Why?

 

[S10]

United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which came into force on November 16, 1994, is an international treaty that provides a regulatory framework for the use of the world’s seas and oceans, inter alia, to ensure the conservation and equitable usage of resources and the marine environment and to ensure the protection and preservation of the living resources of the sea. UNCLOS also addresses such other matters as sovereignty, rights of usage in maritime zones, and navigational rights. As of January 10 2014, 166 States have ratified, acceded to, or succeeded to, UNCLOS. The full text and status of UNCLOS can be accessed through the United Nations Division for Oceans Affairs and the Law of the Sea.

UNCLOS sets forth in Part XV rules for the resolution of disputes between State Parties arising out of the interpretation or application of UNCLOS. Pursuant to Article 287(1) of UNCLOS, when signing, ratifying, or acceding to UNCLOS, a State may make a declaration choosing one or more of the following means for settling such disputes:

• the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) in Hamburg, Germany;
• the International Court of Justice in The Hague, The Netherlands;
• ad hoc arbitration (in accordance with Annex VII of UNCLOS); or
• a “special arbitral tribunal” constituted for certain categories of disputes (established under Annex VIII of UNCLOS).

That means I can establish a kangaroo court in my home and "arbitrate" matters without the consent of one party? You're really desperate. I wonder why the Philippines went for a clown show instead of going to a proper UN establish court like ITLOS or ICJ. It must be easier getting a decision when you paid and appoint the "judges".

I'm guessing you haven't read Annex VII or VIII at all.

 

[Tiqiu]

It is quite clear that China does not want a legal examination of its claims.
Wonder Why?

You need to think, not wonder.

From now on, there will be more and more developing and emerging countries to Challenge the so-called "rules" made by the self-proclaimed "Master of the Universe". For the majority people on this earthly world, they want to improve their lives through economic development, they are pro-development, and they demand better rules to fit for their goal. There is nothing the old colonist masters can do to prevent this from happening.

 

[TaiShang]

The Islands have three 3km air runway on them... and the verdict is just a paper.

The fact on the ground is, the islands are growing and improving. In real world, that's what really matters.

The rest is spoken or written words with, so far, no real effect.

So, based on the present reality, we may argue, the paid court ruling has not changed the situation. If it ever begins to change, then we may start to talk about that. But currently, it is all abstract thinking.

So far, China does not mind what the paid court said about island development; and the rest of the most of the region does not mind what China has been doing with its own islands in its own waters.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Feel free to go to the Permanent Court of Arbitration and have a verdict...

Haha nice try, we don't want to waste 30 millions of our tax payer money, Pinoy are rich we're not , And it's useless because the Permanent Court of Arbitration is under US pay roll especially the judge is Japanese...LMAO.