China: SCS ADIZ is an Option

[TaiShang]

Fact:

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Undated photo shows a Chinese H-6K bomber patrolling islands and reefs including Huangyan Dao in the South China Sea. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force conducted a combat air patrol in the South China Sea recently, which will become a "regular" practice in the future, said a military spokesperson on July 18, 2016. The PLA sent H-6K bombers and other aircraft including fighters, scouts and tankers to patrol islands and reefs including Huangyan Dao, said Shen Jinke, spokesman for the PLA Air Force. (Xinhua/Liu Rui)

Fact:

SCS ADIZ is to be determined by China's own risk calculations.

 

[gambit]

The SCS is free for all, not just you and your allies to operate. The respect for sovereign water should applied despite the Freedom of Navigation principle is used.

Here is the deal...

See that red circle ?

Approximately %50 OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION lives inside that circle. Give or take a few millions then and now.

Those people do not care about the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. They care about the South China Seas region. Even though they may use the full label that have the word 'China' in it, nobody believes that body of water belongs exclusively to China. My closet have a lot of shirts and pants that have labels 'Made in Viet Nam', or 'Made in Indonesia', or 'Made in Malaysia', or from the general area.

The PCA's decision is the first step towards the defeat of China in claiming the entirety of the SCS as hers. The military confrontation will be the second step of that defeat. China will escalate towards that military confrontation. Whether that confrontation will result in deaths or not is up to China, but China will be defeated either in voluntary withdrawal or being forced to do so after a few deaths. The US and others in the region will ENSURE that defeat.

I hope your leadership is as stupid as the PDF Chinese with their tough talk about 'nuking' this country and that country and start exercising that itchy trigger finger. The smackdown of China will be memorable for generations.

 

[xunzi]

Here is the deal...

See that red circle ?

Approximately %50 OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION lives inside that circle. Give or take a few millions then and now.

Those people do not care about the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. They care about the South China Seas region. Even though they may use the full label that have the word 'China' in it, nobody believes that body of water belongs exclusively to China. My closet have a lot of shirts and pants that have labels 'Made in Viet Nam', or 'Made in Indonesia', or 'Made in Malaysia', or from the general area.

The PCA's decision is the first step towards the defeat of China in claiming the entirety of the SCS as hers. The military confrontation will be the second step of that defeat. China will escalate towards that military confrontation. Whether that confrontation will result in deaths or not is up to China, but China will be defeated either in voluntary withdrawal or being forced to do so after a few deaths. The US and others in the region will ENSURE that defeat.

I hope your leadership is as stupid as the PDF Chinese with their tough talk about 'nuking' this country and that country and start exercising that itchy trigger finger. The smackdown of China will be memorable for generations.

You can't even defeat us in the Korean War and you're talking about our defeat? LOL You are a joke. Stop talking nonsense about withdrawing. Last time I remember, it was your soldiers withdrawing in the Vietnam War after a few dead soldiers brought back home. Do you know how many soldiers we lost in WWII, Korean War? You think your word is going to scare us from giving up our territorial integrity? Come invade us!

 

[HongWu002]

I hope your leadership is as stupid as the PDF Chinese with their tough talk about 'nuking' this country and that country and start exercising that itchy trigger finger. The smackdown of China will be memorable for generations.

Your wish is granted. We will launch megatons of warheads to wipe out cleanly all urban areas in USA. Let's see who is left in USA after a preemptive first strike by our empire!

 

[yusheng]

In guizhou university lecture Jin Canrong says,:

二次降噪版百度盘 http://pan.baidu.com/s/1qYCJzrQ

1, zhongyang has decided that the huangyan island must be a true island, meaning being filled;

2, the huangyan island reclamation will start when the building of airport and facilities on the "three islands" accomplished;

3, when the huangyan island come true, we can draw air recognition area on SCS (ADIZ);

4, it may take 4-5 years to make huangyan island;

5, Japan and Korea going to be half die when we countrol SCS.

during that time, and around huangyan island, China and the United States may have serious confliction.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The smackdown of China will be memorable for generations.

You've been saying this since you joined the forum.

Yet after all the things China did, including seizing the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, the Scarborough Shoal from the Philippines (forcing America to abandon their mutual defence treaty) and building/militarizing the SCS in contravention of international law...

Somehow....

Not a single one of these countries has cut off even $0.01 in trade relations with China.

That's how much your opposition to China is worth, they won't even let go of $0.01 for it.

 

[Nefarious]

If it was any other country (basically third world), U.S would have muscled/bullied them out ages ago.

Unfortunately for the US, This is China who commands respect and is no pushover. In this case, just listen out for 'voices of concern' etc but no one will have the balls to do any real physical provocations because U.S is not used to dealing with rivals who can actually defend themselves.

 

[Sanchez]

If it was any other country (basically third world), U.S would have muscled/bullied them out ages ago.

Unfortunately for the US, This is China who commands respect and is no pushover. In this case, just listen out for 'voices of concern' etc but no one will have the balls to do any real physical provocations because U.S is not used to dealing with rivals who can actually defend themselves.

Simple but really good comments!

 

[gambit]

Your wish is granted. We will launch megatons of warheads to wipe out cleanly all urban areas in USA. Let's see who is left in USA after our preemptive first strike to challenge our empire!

I do not play video games so I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[S10]

Because of China's claim to the entirety of the SCS. This is not about man-made islands which do not have as much legal protections as real islands do. China can build on those things until China is broke. But the entirety of the SCS is a whole different issue.

The PCA's decision is a signal to the region, and other countries on other parts of the world that needs freedom in the SCS, that they now do not have to worry about the legal aspect of who owns the SCS, which is NO ONE. If China chose to ignore that decision, the a military response is the only one adequate to enforce Chinese claim. Without that response, China essentially admitted that the PCA's decision is valid. You cannot deny validity and do nothing to support that refusal.

You're still trying to argue that somehow a kangaroo court's decision has any real impact. China does not claim the entire SCS, only areas within the Nine Dash Line. I can issue my own judgement from my house, and it be just about as legit as the one issued by the clown show you mentioned. It's not even affiliated with UN or UNCLOS. Renting the same building in Hague as ICJ to try to appear legit is called misrepresentation.

It's funny how you act like China is disrupting international shipping going through the area, when there are none. China is ignoring this kangaroo court you love citing so much like all others before it, and nothing has changed except in your mind. Those bases are going to get built, and aggression from American pawns will be answer accordingly.

 

[terranMarine]

Why is that US Navy dude in Beijing right now? Obviously he wants to calm China down after that garbage ruling. America didn't sent him all the way over to China so that they can point a gun at us to accept it. This is China, not Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Lybia or any other country America can invade with impunity. These bozo at PDF really think China is a coward, well do we have news for ya. America has not forgotten the lessons it received from the Korean and Vietnam War. The super power couldn't win both wars against China and the pathetic part is both wars were supported by many allies. Heck even in the Korean War US had to call in 14 countries to help this pathetic super power to fight against the backward North Koreans. After the lousy equipped Chinese troops arrived boy did we scared the shit out of the yankees that they had to retreat all the way back to the 38th parallel north.

Another pathetic fact is that Americans had to resort to false information regarding WMD in Iraq and again called in allies to invade Iraq. Everybody knows DPRK has WMD so why hasn't America invaded our neighbor? That's right America is nothing but a coward after China warned the yankees not to start a war at our doorstep period.

SCS is China's core interest and not a neighbor, so if yankees think China is bluffing they couldn't be further away from the truth. Better believe it we are heading for a collision if the US isn't gonna adjust its course and China will be ready when that day comes.

 

[Jlaw]

Why is that US Navy dude in Beijing right now? Obviously he wants to calm China down after that garbage ruling. America didn't sent him all the way over to China so that they can point a gun at us to accept it. This is China, not Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Lybia or any other country America can invade with impunity. These bozo at PDF really think China is a coward, well do we have news for ya. America has not forgotten the lessons it received from the Korean and Vietnam War. The super power couldn't win both wars against China and the pathetic part is both wars were supported by many allies. Heck even in the Korean War US had to call in 14 countries to help this pathetic super power to fight against the backward North Koreans. After the lousy equipped Chinese troops arrived boy did we scared the shit out of the yankees that they had to retreat all the way back to the 38th parallel north.

Another pathetic fact is that Americans had to resort to false information regarding WMD in Iraq and again called in allies to invade Iraq. Everybody knows DPRK has WMD so why hasn't America invaded our neighbor? That's right America is nothing but a coward after China warned the yankees not to start a war at our doorstep period.

SCS is China's core interest and not a neighbor, so if yankees think China is bluffing they couldn't be further away from the truth. Better believe it we are heading for a collision if the US isn't gonna adjust its course and China will be ready when that day comes.

They should not even met with him. Isn't it clear what China said many times that sovereignty and national security cannot be negotiated.

I think it was a bad move by CPC to allow him a meeting.

 

[terranMarine]

They should not even met with him. Isn't it clear what China said many times that sovereignty and national security cannot be negotiated.

I think it was a bad move by CPC to allow him a meeting.

the meeting doesn't hurt China's interest, so if they wanted to have a chat we just repeat our stance over and over again coupled with announcements of more military drills will follow soon.

 

[gambit]

You're still trying to argue that somehow a kangaroo court's decision has any real impact.

It does have real impact. Now the Asian countries will use it to show China the aggressor. If perception is reality...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...hina-Sea-tensions-drive-defense-spending.html

Growing tensions in the disputed South China Sea will drive up defense spending in the Asia-Pacific region by almost 23 percent by the end of the decade, consultancy IHS Jane's said in a report Thursday.

Combined regional defense budgets will grow from $435 billion last year to $533 billion in 2020, furthering a shift in global military spending away from Western Europe and North America toward emerging markets, especially in Asia, the report said.

Budgets are finite. Money that could be used to build roads are reallocated to build weapons. You cannot get any more 'real impact' than that, kid.

China does not claim the entire SCS, only areas within the Nine Dash Line.

Which is pretty much the entirety of the SCS since the area inside those dashes are vital to inter-states commerce.

I can issue my own judgement from my house, and it be just about as legit as the one issued by the clown show you mentioned. It's not even affiliated with UN or UNCLOS. Renting the same building in Hague as ICJ to try to appear legit is called misrepresentation.

You as a 'legitimate' source ? Yeah...Try it and see.

It's funny how you act like China is disrupting international shipping going through the area, when there are none.

No. We, meaning the US and local Asian countries, are making sure that China will not be able to disrupt commerce. China using those dashy-dashy lines was a preemptive act. A Chinese national security issue. China said she needs to control that region 'just in case' anyone tried to threaten China. We are doing the same.

China is ignoring this kangaroo court you love citing so much like all others before it, and nothing has changed except in your mind. Those bases are going to get built, and aggression from American pawns will be answer accordingly.

I do hope the PLA's leadership are just as stupid as the PDF Chinese and starts shooting.

 

[TaiShang]

You've been saying this since you joined the forum.

Yet after all the things China did, including seizing the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, the Scarborough Shoal from the Philippines (forcing America to abandon their mutual defence treaty) and building/militarizing the SCS in contravention of international law...

Somehow....

Not a single one of these countries has cut off even $0.01 in trade relations with China.

That's how much your opposition to China is worth, they won't even let go of $0.01 for it.

The FACT is that China does not give a hoot about US opposition.

This FACT has been re-reinforced by this:

1, zhongyang has decided that the huangyan island must be a true island, meaning being filled;

2, the huangyan island reclamation will start when the building of airport and facilities on the "three islands" accomplished;

3, when the huangyan island come true, we can draw air recognition area on SCS (ADIZ);

4, it may take 4-5 years to make huangyan island;

5, Japan and Korea going to be half die when we countrol SCS.

So, when FACTS are on the ground, the rest is just the sound from the vent of a balloon filled with HOT air.

Development CANNOT be stopped.

Here is another FACT just created.

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Telecoms extend 4G service to Nansha Islands
China Daily, July 20, 2016

China's top mobile telecom carriers have launched 4G service on the Nansha Islands, in an effort to safeguard the country's legal claim in the South China Sea and to improve communication services for local people.

China Telecommunications Corp, the country's third-largest telecom carrier by subscribers, has expanded its 4G signal to seven reefs of the Nansha Islands, giving islanders faster internet speed and enabling them to make video calls and conduct online commerce.

The move came shortly after the country dismissed the ruling by the Arbitral Tribunal in The Hague that China has no "historic title" over the South China Sea.

China Telecom's larger competitor China Mobile Communications Corp also offers similar services around the region.

"The achievement highlights China's determination to serve local people and passing ships. It also mirrors homegrown telecom companies' cutting-edge technology," said Xiang Ligang, a telecom veteran and CEO of the industry website cctime.com.

The Nansha Islands are in strategic shipping lanes, but they are far away from land, which makes it time-consuming and costly to build telecom infrastructure.

Su Xun, a China Mobile employee in charge of maintaining telecom equipment, said it takes 60 hours by ship to get to the Nansha Islands from Hainan province.

Additionally, telecom equipment is highly vulnerable to seawater corrosion, and it is difficult to ensure a stable supply of electricity to power 4G stations and to transmit signals.

However, Su said, "All of the problems have been properly handled and our efforts finally paid off."

China Mobile has expanded its 4G signal to cover Yongshu Reef and Zhubi Reef of the Nansha Islands, after successfully launching service in the nearby Xisha Islands.

China Telecom has devoted more than 70 million yuan (US$10.5 million) to telecom infrastructure construction in the South China Sea in the past four years. The State-owned company has spent nine months setting up eight base stations around the Nansha Islands.