China renames a river because it sounds Arabic

[haidian]

honestly, all I did was repost a news article and express a dislike of Communism.....

Communism is in China, it won't affect your country, it won't bother you. people like you are just born haters, if you hate communism, you'll also expect someones may hate Muslims and Islam, basically you are the same bunch.

 

[S10]

Salafiyya just means following Islam as practiced by the earliest generations, as followed by the pious predecessors. I don't think there's any harm in people praying five times a day and fasting.

Sheikh Fawzan is one of the most loved and respected Salafi scholars and he speaks out against ISIS http://www.ibntaymiyyah.com/articles/mskitdp-shaykh-salih-al-fawzan-on-the-necessity-of-security.cfm

Not only does he promote fighting them on the physical front but he fights them on the theological front, showing how their theology is false and how Islam doesn't teach terrorism. ​

Except praying is all these Salafist fundamentalists know. There is no harm in praying five times a day and fasting during Ramadan, but don't expect companies and government to accommodate you. There are rules and regulations. Treat your religion like your penis. You can play with it however you like in private. Just don't wave it in public and don't force it on children.

I believe Muslims have a right to practice their religion. There's nothing wrong with a Muslim practicing their religion. If we're talking about terrorists, I don't think they should be put in camps. If they are Khawarij, I think they should be killed. But a Muslim having a beard doesn't make him a terrorist. If criminalizing belief in God isn't Satanic, I don't know what is. Communism is clearly a Satanic ideology. Karl Marx was working on behalf of an international Jewish conspiracy to advance the New World Order.

Since China implemented the re-educational camps, there has not been a single incident of terrorist attack in Xinjiang. Before the camps, it was occuring on a weekly basis. Think of the camps as a reaction to Islamic terrorism. The more frequent and violent the acts of terror, the higher the magnitude of response. While I am no fan of Communist party, they transformed China from an agricultural backwater with 80% illiteracy rate in 1949 into the largest industrial power on earth today. China is also number 1 in STEM research output. Name an Islamic society on earth that can match that.

Oh wait, you're too indoctrinating children with religious preaching while Chinese kids are being taught math, science and engineering. Notice the most developed countries on earth generally have more atheist and agnostics? It's not a coincidence. In short, you stick to praying and we'll stick to advancement.

 

[OIO]

honestly, all I did was repost a news article and express a dislike of Communism.....

is China really putting Muslims in concentration camps and is changing the river name part of a larger push against Islam?

look, I would love for you or for someone to show me that the concentration camps are just a lie made-up by Western imperialist propaganda....

I don't think I've definitively come out and really stated a definitive position on China.... I mean I am anti-Communism but I would seriously love for people to show me that what I'm being told is false and that China is not targeting Muslims and that Muslims aren't being thrown in concentration camps

if it's all a lie and Muslims are not being put into camps.... Alhamdulilaah!

however, if it's not a lie and if there is a push against Islam within China..... and if my brothers really are being put into camps...... then how can I not be bothered?

should we only support Muslims being oppressed by Westerners? rather than look at whether Muslims are being oppressed or not- we need to step back and figure out if the oppressors are Westerners and we only are concerned if the oppressor is a Westerner?

if Muslims are being put into camps..... can you imagine the reaction if the US or Europe was doing the same thing on such a scale (yes, I know there's Guantanamo but that is on a much smaller scale if I understand correctly and more for very specific individuals)?

are we being fair and objective or are we so biased against the West that we only attack injustice when it's committed by the West?

is it not true that one of the biggest killers of Muslims was Genghis Khan? so if we were alive in the time of Genghis Khan we would sit back and ignore the actions of Genghis Khan because he's not white?

look man, I'm against US imperialism...... and it's because I'm against US imperialism that I think we need to be objective..... if we're not objective then it makes the whole cause of anti-imperialism look bad and undermines that cause.... kind of like how yelling "racism" when it isn't actually "racism" undermines the efforts of confronting actual racism.....

anyways, are the Muslim camps and larger push against Islam a real thing or just a lie?



I went to a Quran study with a bunch of Indonesians once.... everyone in the group with Indonesian except for me...... I was the only non-Indonesian....... and I had a great time!

they were really wonderful people and in my experience Indonesians are wonderful people......

I've never been to Asia and so maybe you would know more than I do..... is it actually true that Muslims in China are being put into camps? and for what are being put into camps? if you know about what's going on..... I ask because you're a little closer so maybe you might know more.......

the street name I don't really care about but I am only concerned about it insofar as it's part of a larger push against Islam within China.... if that is indeed so

In your mind US and China are persecuting Muslim, from our perspective both US and Muslim world are pushing religions to us.

If something is good for us, you don't need to push.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Except praying is all these Salafist fundamentalists know. There is no harm in praying five times a day and fasting during Ramadan, but don't expect companies and government to accommodate you. There are rules and regulations. Treat your religion like your penis. Don't wave it in public and don't force it on children.


Since China implemented the re-educational camps, there has not been a single incident of terrorist attack in Xinjiang. Before the camps, it was occuring on a weekly basis. Think of the camps as a reaction to Islamic terrorism. The more frequent and violent the acts of terror, the higher the magnitude of response. While I am no fan of Communist party, they transformed China from an agricultural backwater with 80% illiteracy rate in 1949 into the largest industrial power on earth today. China is also number 1 in STEM research output. Name an Islamic society on earth that can match that.

Oh wait, you're too busy praying while we're teaching children science. Notice the most developed countries on earth generally have more atheist and agnostics?

I don't understand why you compare religion to a private part.... that's a very disgusting and insulting comparison........ especially to bring that in relation to children.... very disgusting thing to say......

Muslims have a right to raise their kids in accordance with Islam........

and Muslims have a right to have beards, wear hijab, etc..... a person practicing Islam who has the beard, hijab, doesn't shake hands with the opposite sex, etc....... these things tend to be noticeable.....

if China really thinks it's cool to go after Islam, it is inviting divine punishment on itself.... and it only further shows that Communism is Satanic

In your mind US and China are persecuting Muslim, from our perspective both US and Muslim world are pushing religions to us.

If something is good for us, you don't need to push.

who is pushing? If I try to talk about the Oneness of God to you.... I think that's a lot less extreme then putting you in a camp

Communism is in China, it won't affect your country, it won't bother you. people like you are just born haters, if you hate communism, you'll also expect someones may hate Muslims and Islam, basically you are the same bunch.

people all over the world hate Communism.... hating Communism isn't really specific to Islam..... also, if someone does something against Muslims, Muslims should be against it whether it's in Palestine, Kashmir or China

 

[S10]

I don't understand why you compare religion to a private part.... that's a very disgusting and insulting comparison........ especially to bring that in relation to children.... very disgusting thing to say......

Muslims have a right to raise their kids in accordance with Islam........

and Muslims have a right to have beards, wear hijab, etc..... a person practicing Islam who has the beard, hijab, doesn't shake hands with the opposite sex, etc....... these things tend to be noticeable.....

if China really thinks it's cool to go after Islam, it is inviting divine punishment on itself.... and it only further shows that Communism is Satanic

It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. Keep your religion to yourself, just as you would do the same to your genitals.

By all means, grow a beard, wear your burkas, pray 5 times a day and raise your kids in the Islamic way outside of China. We don't tell you how you should operate in your home country. We have a saying in China. Foreigners that integrate into Chinese culture become Chinese. Chinese that follows foreign religions and practices becomes foreigners. If you want to practice your fundamentalist Islamic ways, leave. Why do some of your Muslims insist on us changing our ways to accommodate you? We don't go to Saudi Arabia and demand you start eating pork.

If Communism is Satanic, then your Allah must really hate you because the entire Islamic world is currently lagging behind such a satanic entity in technology, economy and science.

 

[haidian]

people all over the world hate Communism

One can also claim people all over the world hate Islam and Muslims, but that's not true, that's just propaganda but not very bright people like you just bought it blindly.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

read some reports where they're even going after Huis in the mainland, destroying minarets and other "arab" signs and symbols and replacing the architecture with traditional Chinese or non-Islamic style structures/language.

based CCP, god bless

a lot of "Islamic" structures are influence of masonry when they were captured and tasked to design beautiful mosques 1000+ years ago.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

One can also claim people all over the world hate Islam and Muslims, but that's not true, that's just propaganda but not very bright people like you just bought it blindly.

It is true that many people hate Muslims but my point was against you making anti-Communism seem to be a particular trait of Muslims whereas it's pretty common all over the world

By all means, grow a beard, wear your burkas, pray 5 times a day and raise your kids in the Islamic way outside of China. We don't tell you how you should operate in your home country. We have a saying in China. Foreigners that integrate into Chinese culture become Chinese. Chinese that follows foreign religions and practices becomes foreigners. If you want to practice your fundamentalist Islamic ways, leave. Why do some of your Muslims insist on us changing our ways to accommodate you? We don't go to Saudi Arabia and demand you start eating pork.

If Communism is Satanic, then your Allah must really hate you because the entire Islamic world is currently lagging behind such a satanic entity in technology, economy and science.

What you're saying is not following logic. How does a person praying and not eating pork force Chinese to change their ways to accomodate them? The comparison you make is to a person being forced to eat pork.... being forced to eat pork is invasive. The comparison is not one of equivalence.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

seriously Pakistanis should be the LAST people on earth to even slightly criticize China. The last thing Pakistan wants to do is to be in even WORST position then North Korea. Even Arabs have abandoned Pakistan and now they are working their way up to be fully isolated by turning its society against China. Trust me Pakistan has NOTHING to gain from supporting Chinese Muslims (who btw are in much better condition then Kashmiris).
Its about Foking time for Pakistan to THINK for its self FIRST and then this ummah chumma which has been nothing but a CURSE to this nation.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

seriously Pakistanis should be the LAST people on earth to even slightly criticize China. The last thing Pakistan wants to do is to be in even WORST position then North Korea. Even Arabs have abandoned Pakistan and now they are working their way up to be fully isolated by turning its society against China. Trust me Pakistan has NOTHING to gain from supporting Chinese Muslims (who btw are in much better condition then Kashmiris).
Its about Foking time for Pakistan to THINK for its self FIRST and then this ummah chumma which has been nothing but a CURSE to this nation.

so.... Pakistan should forget about Islam then?

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]

If you don't believe in that verse of the Quran and you don't believe in that part of Islam- which parts of the Quran and which parts of Islam do you believe in? Are you a Muslim? If you don't believe in "Ummah"....... which parts of Islam do you believe in?

If Pakistan doesn't follow Islam, what is even the point of its existence? If Pakistan turns away from Islam, it might as well apologize to India and become a part of India... for Pakistan to negate Islam would be to negate its whole reason for existence.... if following the Quran is a mistake then the very existence of Pakistan is a mistake

 

[Ultima Thule]

honestly, all I did was repost a news article and express a dislike of Communism.....

is China really putting Muslims in concentration camps and is changing the river name part of a larger push against Islam?

look, I would love for you or for someone to show me that the concentration camps are just a lie made-up by Western imperialist propaganda....

I don't think I've definitively come out and really stated a definitive position on China.... I mean I am anti-Communism but I would seriously love for people to show me that what I'm being told is false and that China is not targeting Muslims and that Muslims aren't being thrown in concentration camps

if it's all a lie and Muslims are not being put into camps.... Alhamdulilaah!

however, if it's not a lie and if there is a push against Islam within China..... and if my brothers really are being put into camps...... then how can I not be bothered?

should we only support Muslims being oppressed by Westerners? rather than look at whether Muslims are being oppressed or not- we need to step back and figure out if the oppressors are Westerners and we only are concerned if the oppressor is a Westerner?

if Muslims are being put into camps..... can you imagine the reaction if the US or Europe was doing the same thing on such a scale (yes, I know there's Guantanamo but that is on a much smaller scale if I understand correctly and more for very specific individuals)?

are we being fair and objective or are we so biased against the West that we only attack injustice when it's committed by the West?

is it not true that one of the biggest killers of Muslims was Genghis Khan? so if we were alive in the time of Genghis Khan we would sit back and ignore the actions of Genghis Khan because he's not white?

look man, I'm against US imperialism...... and it's because I'm against US imperialism that I think we need to be objective..... if we're not objective then it makes the whole cause of anti-imperialism look bad and undermines that cause.... kind of like how yelling "racism" when it isn't actually "racism" undermines the efforts of confronting actual racism.....

anyways, are the Muslim camps and larger push against Islam a real thing or just a lie?

they are doing in their country and against whom that has anti China sentiment look Mao revolution of 50/60/70 they killed million of their own people and send them concentration camps for good, USA/Israel/Eu are bigger bigger enemies for Muslim world @Omar Al-Deek

 

[haidian]

my point was against you making anti-Communism seem to be a particular trait of Muslims
.

?? where did I say anti-Communism is a particular trait of Muslims? If I have to say it, I would say the west, not Muslim world, you hate communism this much, that makes you sound like a typical brainwashed westerner.

 

[AViet]

Some do wear them but I doubt they'll ever come back as they used to be, cultures and clothing evolve with time, modern clothing is more convenient and more comfortable to wear, people in south Asia may like to stick to their traditional clothing, that's also perfectly ok, East Asians now prefer modern clothing, that's also a fact.


Turks had no culture to start with, if you like to know more about Turks, you have to check Chinese history documents, you were just cultureless nomads.

In Turkey they teach Turkic ancient history at school based almost totally on Chinese texts.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

they are doing in their country and against whom that has anti China sentiment look Mao revolution of 50/60/70 they killed million of their own people and send them concentration camps for good, USA/Israel/Eu are bigger bigger enemies for Muslim world @Omar Al-Deek

?? where did I say anti-Communism is a particular trait of Muslims? If I have to say it, I would say the west, not Muslim world, you hate communism this much, that makes you sound like a typical brainwashed westerner.

I think it's very hypocritical how Communist "anti-imperialists" talk all this anti-Western rhetoric..... while simultaneously pushing Western ideology

I am against Western imperialism in fact and not only in rhetoric.... judeo-Communism is in fact a tentacle of Western imperialism

the real center of Bolshevism was not in Moscow but among the Jewish Wall Street bankers in New York who were funding the Bolsheviks

 

[AViet]

In Turkey they teach Turkic ancient history at school based almost totally on Chinese texts.

But the problem that a lot of Turkish people, who are actually European enslaved by their east/Central Asian Turkic masters and then Turkified, want to claim the great history of Turkic people, as their own, which is leading to their delusion.