China refuses talks with India,What's next?

[rambro]

kaboom?

 

[ChennaiDude]

You just sound like Shashi Tharoor. As I said, it was still better dealing with the Congress scumbags. At least they can hide their prejudice successfully.

I think you've had many debates with @xeuss on this topic on why Muslims should be expected to love India when they aren't getting any love in return. So I have nothing new to add.

If you still don't "get" it, then I consider you a part of the MAJORITARIAN problem of India.

Its better to know the intentions of your enemy than for your enemy to hide it-ALA-Congress as you say.
Nowhere have I said Muslims to love India- As an Indian that is expected against external enemies- If you dont feel that way, dont consider yourself Indian- If you think I dont get it, then so be it. People like you are the major problem in India-(Its my way or the highway).

Sure. Keep drinking those cool-aid.

Yes we will dont you worry about it- Both countries need to deescalate and move to earlier positions.
In the meantime both can drink cool aid or hot aid or warm aid.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Its better to know the intentions of your enemy than for your enemy to hide it-ALA-Congress as you say.
Nowhere have I said Muslims to love India- As an Indian that is expected against external enemies- If you dont feel that way, dont consider yourself Indian- If you think I dont get it, then so be it. People like you are the major problem in India-(Its my way or the highway).

Looks like you're a Gandhi supporter. You should read up more on him. He was the biggest ANARCHIST between the 1890s-1920s. He started a movement called non-cooperation. Yes his methods were peaceful but they shaked up things really bad for the British Raj. He was even eager to allow India to be ruled by Muslim League under Jinnah as a Prime Minister.

Modern Gandhians aren't anything like him though. Gandhi was the greatest man of the 20th century, no doubt. He even inspired the Civil Rights movement in the USA with Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. among others using his peaceful methods. Nelson Mandela of South Africa accepted the Gandhian methods to destroy and dismantle the Apartheid regime.

Gandhi's methods may be peaceful, but the impact is very dangerous for any nation.

You cannot have change in a society/nation as long as people accept the status quo which you are advocating here.

 

[ChennaiDude]

RSS already considers Hindutva more important than the nation.

But for Muslims, Islam is a source of identity. It's THEIR way of life. The Indian nation has to work around that, not the other way around.

Muslims sympathize with Kashmir, Palestine etc. for this one major reason: it's called Ummah.

A secular nation should leave Muslims alone to do their business. Not interfere in their lives with unjust laws, and economic oppression.

I am a secular person, and I support Muslims in their right to maintain their distinct identity from India as a nation. That's where another secularist like Shashi Tharoor would disagree with me.

Did not realize that your thought process is the same as the RSS- Good to know that. Thank God your kind is not the majority-I can only imagine RSS being replaced by your ideology. (Birds of the same feather flock together I suppose-The feathers have different colors - One is Orange and the other is green thats all)

 

[rott]

Yes we will dont you worry about it- Both countries need to deescalate and move to earlier positions.
In the meantime both can drink cool aid or hot aid or warm aid.

I have news for you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273642637539581953

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Did not realize that your thought process is the same as the RSS- Good to know that. Thank God your kind is not the majority-I can only imagine RSS being replaced by your ideology. (Birds of the same feather flock together I suppose-The feathers have different colors - One is Orange and the other is green thats all)

How is my thought process same as RSS? When did I advocate for the genocide of Hindus, or their peaceful assimilation into Muslim society? I want even Hindus to have their own representation in a secular India. I want Tamils to have their separate autonomous representation. Likewise I would want for the Bengalis, and Maharashtrians, and the Himachalis, and whatever.

 

[Microsoft]

Both countries need to deescalate and move to earlier positions. In the meantime both can drink cool aid or hot aid or warm aid.

Is that fear I sense? Usually Indian war drums are going crazy if 20 soldiers are beaten to death with stones and rods. Maybe times have changed...or is it fear...

 

[ChennaiDude]

Looks like you're a Gandhi supporter. You should read up more on him. He was the biggest ANARCHIST between the 1890s-1920s. He started a movement called non-cooperation. Yes his methods were peaceful but they shaked up things really bad for the British Raj. He was even eager to allow India to be ruled by Muslim League under Jinnah as a Prime Minister.

Modern Gandhians aren't anything like him though. Gandhi was the greatest man of the 20th century, no doubt. He even inspired the Civil Rights movement in the USA with Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. among others using his peaceful methods. Nelson Mandela of South Africa accepted the Gandhian methods to destroy and dismantle the Apartheid regime.

Gandhi's methods may be peaceful, but the impact is very dangerous for any nation.

You cannot have change in a society/nation as long as people accept the status quo which you are advocating here.

I am not suggesting anything- Your fight for your rights in India is valid as long as the nation is one. If the nation is broken up or ceases to exist, then what is your fight about- So really what are you fighting for is the question.

I have news for you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273642637539581953

Its better to be over prepared than under prepared- No.
Thanks for the news- now share that with your comrades that India means business and wont settle for anything less than going back to previous positions- But again deescalation is best option in my opinion.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

I am not suggesting anything- Your fight for your rights in India is valid as long as the nation is one. If the nation is broken up or ceases to exist, then what is your fight about- So really what are you fighting for is the question.

If a nation cannot uphold the rights of its most disadvantaged citizens, then I would want such a nation to not exist anymore.

Nation comes second. First you secure everyone's rights.

 

[ChennaiDude]

How is my thought process same as RSS? When did I advocate for the genocide of Hindus, or their peaceful assimilation into Muslim society? I want even Hindus to have their own representation in a secular India. I want Tamils to have their separate autonomous representation. Likewise I would want for the Bengalis, and Maharashtrians, and the Himachalis, and whatever.

One should always learn from history- RSS was not so rabid until they got the power in the form of governance to do so. So given the same power the chances of it repeating is very high. Even Tamils/Maharashtra/Himachals etc dont want a separate nation- Majority are happy to be Indians.

Is that fear I sense? Usually Indian war drums are going crazy if 20 soldiers are beaten to death with stones and rods. Maybe times have changed...or is it fear...

I always knew Chinese were cheats-But anyways- Next time Chinese will know that the Indian Patrol wont be empty handed as well.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Even Tamils/Maharashtra/Himachals etc dont want a separate nation- Majority are happy to be Indians.

Sure if they don't want separate nations, they can all hang out together. No problems.

But don't make assumptions for Indian Muslims. They will accept ZERO interference in their way of life by the Indian state machinery.

With BJP, India is sitting on a tinderbox. They have already pushed Muslims to a corner. Anything further may have catastrophic consequences for the very existence of India.

 

[HalfMoon]

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We are just loyal to our religion.

 

[ChennaiDude]

If a nation cannot uphold the rights of its most disadvantaged citizens, then I would want such a nation to not exist anymore.

Nation comes second. First you secure everyone's rights.

And who is going to secure everyone's right? Also which nation as an example do you think you want to be if given an opportunity to break away?- lets see what options/opinions you have here.

 

[vishwambhar]

see, let me make it clear.... we dont want anyone to believe what we say. and I dont want to make you believe me. go out get more knowledge... better for you.
our inputs are very clear... let chinese come clean... so far its three days and chinese are still hiding ... may be still counting bodies.
usually loudmouth global times is sitting quietly... either too much body count or trying to save face.

cant talk too much with you... i replied enough. you are on your own now.

Except on PDF nobody in the world will believe on commie chinese propaganda... They will never share the real information on the dead chinese soldiers....

 

[Shantanu_Left]

And who is going to secure everyone's right? Also which nation as an example do you think you want to be if given an opportunity to break away?- lets see what options/opinions you have here.

The concept of a nation-state itself is a modern invention. At the most, 17th century. India as a nation state is no older than 70 years. Singapore, 55 years. The allegiance to a nation state as a concept itself is a weak one to begin with. Most people have greater allegiance to their immediate community, language, or religion.

In my opinion, India can continue to exist as a loose federation of separate nations. Similar to the European Union.