China ready to cede land for part of Arunachal Pradesh?

[unbiasedopinion]

Thousand years ag

Just thousands year ago? You mean this event happened when humans were present on this planet..

 

[rott]

So we hosted a Taiwanese parliamentary delegation and that's not proof enough?

Our second highest minister has openly said India doesn't accept One China policy. China has openly said India has to follow One China policy.

And all that is only warning? Man, get your head checked.

India doesn't recognize One China. Get over it.

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[Jlaw]

There's nothing to discuss with Indians regarding the border issues.

Indians jumping up and cheering based on an opinion from a retired CPC official. it doesn't take much to excite Indians.

 

[schoolboy]

so it's justified because there is discrimination elsewhere? so you can occupy northeastern people's land but discriminate against the locals?

Your arguments are poorly structured.

You can either choose a legal basis for a claim to Arunachal - in which case you have to go back and see the fact that in 1914 China and Tibet were distinct entities and China withdrew from the Simla agreement in July 1914 though it was signed by Tibet and British India. Later when China took over Tibet (and I'm not getting into the legalities of that annexation) it inherited the obligations of Tibet, just as it inherited the assets of Tibet. This fact was well-known to Zhou Enlai who in 1960 offered the reverse - i.e. renunciation of Chinese claims over A.P. in exchange for Indian cessation of claims to Aksai Chin. [Nehru, of course, was foolish to decline this offer IMO - in hindsight. The Indian claim to Aksai Chin (unlike Tawang) was not based on any legal treaty - and very little historical evidence suggests that region was part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir]

Or you can choose some silly ethnicity-based claim (as you crudely attempted earlier with your claim that they "look chinese") - except that then you'd have to claim every other country in Asia that has mongoloid populations - plus parts of the U.S. as well.

Anyway talking of discrimination of minorities is something China is in no position to be sanctimonious about - with zero minorities having made it to the Standing Committee since 1949, and only four to the Politburo. Since you profess so much love for Tibetans, how come no Tibetans ever make it to the Politburo or the SC? At least in India Kiren Rijuju is the #2 in the home (interior) ministry and controls the central police forces.

 

[MultaniGuy]

China never accepted the mcmohan line. Thats a valid argument.

 

[nature is]

Your arguments are poorly structured.

You can either choose a legal basis for a claim to Arunachal - in which case you have to go back and see the fact that in 1914 China and Tibet were distinct entities and China withdrew from the Simla agreement in July 1914 though it was signed by Tibet and British India. Later when China took over Tibet (and I'm not getting into the legalities of that annexation) it inherited the obligations of Tibet, just as it inherited the assets of Tibet. This fact was well-known to Zhou Enlai who in 1960 offered the reverse - i.e. renunciation of Chinese claims over A.P. in exchange for Indian cessation of claims to Aksai Chin. [Nehru, of course, was foolish to decline this offer IMO - in hindsight. The Indian claim to Aksai Chin (unlike Tawang) was not based on any legal treaty - and very little historical evidence suggests that region was part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir]

Or you can choose some silly ethnicity-based claim (as you crudely attempted earlier with your claim that they "look chinese") - except that then you'd have to claim every other country in Asia that has mongoloid populations - plus parts of the U.S. as well.

Anyway talking of discrimination of minorities is something China is in no position to be sanctimonious about - with zero minorities having made it to the Standing Committee since 1949, and only four to the Politburo. Since you profess so much love for Tibetans, how come no Tibetans ever make it to the Politburo or the SC? At least in India Kiren Rijuju is the #2 in the home (interior) ministry and controls the central police forces.

You're distorting quite a bit. Tibet was under Chinese suzerainty, this was a fact recognized by British and all major powers. The Shimla Accord of 1914 was officially named the Convention Between Great Britain, China and Tibet, but not Tibet and Britain. However, China refusal to recognize Mchanon line led to a walk out from the convention. That was about the only thing China could do as it was powerless to stop the British. Nonetheless, Tibet was never officially independent, rather a de facto status without recognition from League of Nations and later the UN. Shimla Accord signed by Tibet had no bearing on Zhou Enlai's offer. China had already refused to recognize it back then. His offer was solely based on strategic calculation, Aksai Chin has greater importance than South Tibet.

 

[schoolboy]

You're distorting quite a bit. Tibet was under Chinese suzerainty, this was a fact recognized by British and all major powers. The Shimla Accord of 1914 was officially named the Convention Between Great Britain, China and Tibet, but not Tibet and Britain. However, China refusal to recognize Mchanon line led to a walk out from the convention. That was about the only thing China could do as it was powerless to stop the British.

Thanks for your comment. Suzerainty is not sovereignty and by definition presumes the existence of one distinct political body under varying degrees of control under another. And if Tibet was recognised as part of sovereign China in 1914 there would be no need to invite China distinctly from Tibet as a negotiating party. Furthermore the fact that Tibet signed the agreement despite China walking out shows that even this suzerainty was limited.

Britain itself exercised suzerainty over the princely states as also several kingdoms such as Afghanistan, Bhutan and Sikkim. Even China was, following the Unequal Treaties - under a degree of British suzerainty (along with other european powers). Similarly after WW1 and WW2 the axis / central powers were under Allied suzerainty.
None of that has ever been used to defer or refuse compliance of an international obligation made under the exercise of such suzerainty.

Aksai Chin may be strategically important today with the OBOR initiative but that was not always the case. Zhou in 1960 was clever enough to distinguish the weak claim (Tawang, AP) from the strong claim (Aksai Chin) and merely wanted to capitalise on that - which is why I suspect the PLA withdrew from AP but not from Aksai. I lend stronger credence to inferences made from Chinese actions in 1960 compared to 2017. China in that period was less self-sufficient and forced to adhere to international law. Today of course, it can afford to disregard it altogether (as we saw in the SC Sea ruling). I do not say this to poke fun of China - merely to indicate that leaders in the 60s would have been extra careful to not take actions that would be in breach of international law.

Off topic - I find it cute how your fan kiddy here with the Zia avatar keeps posting his uneducated one-liners and thanking any old post which in his perception is directed against India even remotely.

 

[Beast]

So? China was under Mongols and Japanese for some part of the history, so should China be ceded to Mongolia?

You India shall cede yourself back to British since you want to use this logic. Give yourself back to the white man and we Chinese will follow. Can you do it? If not, just some illogical rant by you.

 

[Roybot]

You India shall cede yourself back to British since you want to use this logic. Give yourself back to the white man and we Chinese will follow. Can you do it? If not, just some illogical rant by you.

Nah nah, just like the Chinese have come up with an arbitrary cut off point in history to claim and covet other's land and territory, similarly we have as well. Our cut of point is the time when the Maurya empire was at its peak, you see.

 

[Beast]

Nah nah, just like the Chinese have come up with an arbitrary cut off point in history to claim and covet other's land and territory, similarly we have as well. Our cut of point is the time when the Maurya empire was at its peak, you see.

Any one standard applies on others while that standard doesn't apply in oneself. Typical Indian

Looks like caste system is deep rooted inside Indian where they think they are above others.

 

[terranMarine]

Any one standard applies on others while that standard doesn't apply in oneself. Typical Indian

Looks like caste system is deep rooted inside Indian where they think they are above others.

Animal Farm is their favorite literature: All men are equal but some are more equal than others. Hence the caste system thriving in India to this day

 

[Roybot]

Any one standard applies on others while that standard doesn't apply in oneself. Typical Indian

Looks like caste system is deep rooted inside Indian where they think they are above others.

Am only using the CPC logic. Pick and choose the reference point in history to claim other's territory and expand the hegemonic agenda. If anything you should say typical CPC mentality.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Cool story

Is this what you tell your kids ?

Russia is selling us S-400 too, only these cannot look OVER the Himalayan ranges into Delhi

Even without the S-400 Chiense air force cannot use the base in Tibet at full capacity due to high altitude, thin air and hence low oxygen and lower lift.

Not to mention the effect of such high altitude on Pilots who come from the plains

LOL at your claims of making India Navy less. This does not even merit a response.

Lol even your defense official lobby Russia so hard to prevent China to acquire S-400, they all know that Modi and Indian 4 stars generals will never be able to step into New Delhi in eventual conflict with China. As for high altitude, you just make an unfounded assessment of our pilot capability in Tibet, our medical team has provided our pilots with the best life support in Tibet, China will never let India to have an air superiority over this region

OK, Tawang for Lahasa!!! Win-Win....eh!!!!!!

Or Tawang for water, that our counter-offer, if not your north East will become a wasted land due to the water shortage...that's a good deal.

 

[ito]

Indian government has already quashed the idea. There is no question of exchanging any territory especially not as important as Tawang

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Ya right a thief forced Tibetans to leave their homeland in the greed of occupying it

If we're thief and what are you? according to Winston Churchill "India is merely a geographical expression. It is no more a single country than the Equator." India has never exist until 1947, you guys are greedier than us and occupied the entire India include Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Meghalaya, Tripura, Hyderabad, parts of Himachal, Goa, Sikkim, Ladakh, Tamil Nadu. And struggle now in the greed to occupy Kashmir that belong to Pakistan.