China pulls up chief negotiator for limited global support for anti-India position at NSG

[S. Martin]

Answers to each of your questions:

Can anyone advise what's the function of NSG?
NSG is nuclear supplier group to control global nuclear commerce which includes two parts:
1. Nuclear fuel export/import.
2. Nuclear technologies like enrichment, reprocessing export/import.

Why Inida would like to join it?
Benefits of NSG membership for India:
1. Secure India's NSG waiver against any future attempts to nullify it by changing NSG charter.
2. Greater prospects for UNSC membership

Why China oppose India join?
1. Allowing India NSG membership would seal any chance of China to nullify India's NSG waiver
India NSG waiver allow India to import much needed Uranium for civilian power generation, thereby freeing up its own 80,000 tons of Uranium reserves specifically for nuclear weapons, which threaten China. In other word, this allow India to have a larger nuclear arsenal more easily.
2. China also believes India NSG membership will put India on equal footing with China on global organizations.

Thanks for your comments. Besides your analysis, I have some other thoughts. For the benefits of joining NSG, it may include India can get nuclear materials and advanced nuclear technologies more easily? And these nuclear materials and technologies can be transferred to military utilization by some kinds of means. I'm not sure about this. If it's true, I think that's main cause why China oppose India to join NSG. China feels not safe when see her neighbour develops nuclear weapons. This is same as the case that China oppose North Korea to develop neclear technology and neclear weapons, although China have tranditional very good relationship with DPRK. Afterall, no country would like to see his neighbour develop nuclear weapons which is the known most tremendously threatens to humankind. Right? What Will Indian friends feel when see his neighour develop nuclear weapons?

I check out the Chinese spokeman's statement about this issue, it says that the meeting didn't discuss the topic about non-NPT sigantories join NSG, so there is no opposal or agreement. It seems the Chinese government carefully denys the opposal?

I feel pity to see that the relationship between China and India turns bad again. Last week, when I saw the news that India and Pakistan to join the SCO, I really feel happy about it. I hope to see my country have good relationships with neighours. But now, things change so fast.

 

[xunzi]

Just read the guide lines and comment on it, do not make ignorant statements.

The Law is related to Maritime boundary and also includes territory of Islands which are man made.

I'm not going to teach you what UNCLOS cover and not cover. Their rule is publicly available. Like I said, they are a maritime court dealing with maritime issue. Territorial sovereignty is none of their business.

Level of delusions Chinese have about India's NSG waiver amazes me

Not surprising since Chinese media has black out its consequences to China.

If NSG waiver was bilateral, it wouldn't have required acceptance of China and other NSG members


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/09/nucl-s17.html

It is just standard procedure. The waiver is entirely voluntary basis between bilateral party. The reason for asking us to accept the waiver is simply an exchange of interest between us and the US.

Speaking from Chinese personal experience in the hands of USA during cold war, i see

We listen and obey no one. That is one thing that make us a pole on itself. It is this fact that piss off the US. Let see what is going to happen to you once you disobey the US's order. Remember, there is no free lunch. They prop you up, allow you to break international rule for a reason.

Yes India is also going to ask PLA's permission for China to join MTCR


At that time, China's submission to US demands to compromise upon its own and Pakistan's national security came before NSG rules

MTCR is not important to us. MTCR needs us more than we need them. Our missile technology and drone technology prowess is match by only the US. Joining MTCR is mainly a prestige reason. It has no benefit to us. That's why you don't see us actively pursuing membership.

Not true. Our stance is mainly based on rule-based international agreement and principles. If there is no principles and rules, then why do we need to respect international agreement? Remember, there are others who believe in that principles and not us alone. Go whine and throw a tantrum at those country. Why are you focusing on us? We are innocent. LOL

 

[Srinivas]

Dude enough of it, I thought I am debating a knowledgable person.

I'm not going to teach you what UNCLOS cover and not cover. Their rule is publicly available. Like I said, they are a maritime court dealing with maritime issue. Territorial sovereignty is none of their business.


It is just standard procedure. The waiver is entirely voluntary basis between bilateral party. The reason for asking us to accept the waiver is simply an exchange of interest between us and the US.



We listen and obey no one. That is one thing that make us a pole on itself. It is this fact that piss off the US. Let see what is going to happen to you once you disobey the US's order. Remember, there is no free lunch. They prop you up, allow you to break international rule for a reason.


MTCR is not important to us. MTCR needs us more than we need them. Our missile technology and drone technology prowess is match by only the US. Joining MTCR is mainly a prestige reason. It has no benefit to us. That's why you don't see us actively pursuing membership.

Not true. Our stance is mainly based on rule-based international agreement and principles. If there is no principles and rules, then why do we need to respect international agreement? Remember, there are others who believe in that principles and not us alone. Go whine and throw a tantrum at those country. Why are you focusing on us? We are innocent. LOL

 

[xunzi]

Dude enough of it, I thought I am debating a knowledgable person.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea treaty, is the international agreement that resulted from the third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III), which took place between 1973 and 1982.

Please learn. Don't waste my time again. Get a knowledge Indian to talk to me.

 

[Kraitcorp]

China feels not safe when see her neighbour develops nuclear weapons

I wonder why China does feel safe when see her neighbour (pakistan) develops nuclear weapons.

 

[rcrmj]

This thing is going to hurt inferior complex Indian for some time```just like 1962···loser is loser, you are nobody in world stage

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

It is just standard procedure. The waiver is entirely voluntary basis between bilateral party.

Read again and this time make an effort to understand

In the face of immense political pressure from the United States and a frantic Indian lobbying campaign, the 45-nation Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG) agreed on September 6 to grant India a unique “waiver” exempting the South Asian country from the NSG’s rules governing civilian nuclear trade.

Since when did 45 nations consensus becomes a bilateral agreement?

The reason for asking us to accept the waiver is simply an exchange of interest between us and the US.

What interest would that be?
Allowing a nation that is a nuclear threat to China, to more easily expand its nuclear weapons stockpile in exchange for what interest?

It must be some serious mental torment to admit the American bullied China and succeeded in getting the best of it, this obviously makes China a sore winner............only in the Ahq world that is.

We listen and obey no one. That is one thing that make us a pole on itself. It is this fact that piss off the US. Let see what is going to happen to you once you disobey the US's order. Remember, there is no free lunch. They prop you up, allow you to break international rule for a reason.

Indeed you do not obey anyone:
1.No wonder you let the Americans blow your embassy up and only whined for apology in return.
2. Returned their spy plane wreckage and the crew without slapping espionage charges, despite them being responsible for your pilot's death.

MTCR is not important to us. MTCR needs us more than we need them. Our missile technology and drone technology prowess is match by only the US. Joining MTCR is mainly a prestige reason. It has no benefit to us. That's why you don't see us actively pursuing membership.

Sour grapes here seem to be making the best whine.

If MTCR is no significance, why pledge to Americans on joint statements to adhere to MTCR guidelines and continue to seek MTCR membership?

Beijing has repeatedly assured Washington that it would end the sales and twice endorsed joint statements avowing that they would respect MTCR guidelines.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_10/Zaborsky

The day CCP offically announces it would no longer respect MTCR guidelines and end its elusive quest to seek MTCR membership, your fantasy of China not interested in MTCR can be taken seriously

Until then enjoy the sour grapes

Not true. Our stance is mainly based on rule-based international agreement and principles. If there is no principles and rules, then why do we need to respect international agreement? Remember, there are others who believe in that principles and not us alone. Go whine and throw a tantrum at those country. Why are you focusing on us? We are innocent. LOL

Indeed it is, thats why China submissively agreed to allow Indian NSG waiver at the cost of its national security, allowing India critical benefits of NSG despite not even being an NPT signatory or NSG member

I wonder why China does feel safe when see her neighbour (pakistan) develops nuclear weapons.

Leave him, that chap seems genuinely innocent.

 

[Rank]

entire bullshit article based on - Highly Source Highly Source Highly source hahhahaha

 

[TopCat]

If India is given the privilege then why not N. Korea Iran or Israel?

 

[rcrmj]

china can not contain India, India is too big to be contained by anyone.

when have you lot ever been not contained

 

[Adonis]

It takes only one thousand british army officers to container India....[/QUOTE]

Mate, First it was East India Company, second they exploited the internal feuds and corruption among the ruling elite (Muslim rulers) and last that India included Pakistan.

 

[Anees]

 

[danger007]

WASHINGTON: The US has made it clear that it will not let go of India's membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), an official said.

"India has a strong record and we believe deserves to be included in the NSG," US State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a media briefing on Thursday.

The statement comes after China, at the NSG plenary in Seoul in June, stymied international consensus to include India in the 48-member group on the ground that a country needed to be a signatory of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) for this.

India had formally applied for membership in the NSG on May 12.

Kirby said that the US administration, "including senior White House and State Department officials, made a concerted effort" to secure India's membership in the NSG plenary.


The spokesman was responding to a question on how China did not speak much about India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) earlier this week while opposing New Delhi's bid for the NSG membership.

"We're obviously disappointed that India was not admitted during this recent (NSG) session, but I can tell you that we're going to continue to work constructively with India and all the other NSG members on India's accession in the months ahead," he said.

"We're not going to let that go. Okay?" he added.

 

[S. Martin]

I wonder why China does feel safe when see her neighbour (pakistan) develops nuclear weapons.

Good point. Yes, you should be right that most chinese don't feel threatened by Pakistan's nuclear weapons. I think that's due to Pakistan's behavior with us. But personally I don't like any country (includes Pakistan) to develop nuclear weapons as well. I feel terrible about nuclear war.

 

[TaiShang]

Come on, Indians, get over the NSG thing. It has been a week already.

Move to the next big thing.