Rafale and EFT never claimed to be stealth aircraft. They only claim HS
take EFT for example
This claim of stealth for the Jf-17 is false.
So no limitations here,
Let alone the R&D limitations of never having made or tested any 5th gen tech other than an AESA radar.
On top of this they have to build on the limitations of the JF-17's original design. As well as the fact that it is a light weight , single
engine aircraft with very little room for internal Changes.
Single engine also means harder to justify any increase in weight.
So your saying that the LCA was a testing bed for foreign tech so you can develop your own (Isn't the LCA your fighter ?) Its been almost a decade since the aircraft flew and your still having large amounts of foreign input on it. Now your saying your going to be able to build a 5th gen aircraft ? What will that take a 2 to 3 more decades of foreign input ? Another sinkhole ?
I have no problem with anything entering our Air Force we are already set with our F-35/F-16s/Possible Eurofighter and if the JF-17 needs induction that can be added too. It is just that you seem to be under the impression that a JF-17 can not be made stealthy. Though now your maintaining that it can just not F-35/F-22 stealth which is a no brainer.
When Indian programs succeed they are no longer Indian effort to build alone but a foreign program. When the project is delayed, it is an Indian project.
Good ... I am slowly understanding the Pak mindset.
when an Indian indigenous project succeeds, it is acknowledged....I wonder how would you derive your conclusion....Pakistan has opted mostly for joint projects as you may not have all the knowledge about a thing you are going to develop (no one acknowledges JFT as indigenous -at least most of the responsible posters- its not always about the pride of producing every thing in house. PAF knows its limitations....so if China is helping Pakistan to walk on its feet in aviation industry we will take it. The same is Nuke deal, we need it and we'll try to take it (no matter how some Indian posters were posting NSG, and so called "ethical" stuff I remember you as well and I still remember an extremely substandard post from u about insulting Pakistan) anyways...India has both the indigenous and foreign programs...and experience shows that foreign programs have been completed on schedule...MKI....Brahmos....and others....but I would appreciate If you guys do not mix indiginous programs with foreign ones...
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Atleast we have guts to say we made JF 17 with China, it was a joint venture, Indians on the other say LCA is entirely there own while its inputs are all foreign made
If LCA was entirely your own then I bet it wud have taken atleast another decade
There isn't anything in that list of fighters that isn't already been offered to us, be it JSF or Euro. F 16? We probably won't even bother to induct it. Our 'Sinkholes' are worldclass laboratories and R&D facilities which synergestically use all these technologies- the same tech used for LCA is also used for our space rockets (sorry forgot you don't have any of those) and Helicopters & the enormous talent pool we've built. Last time I checked boeing & LM were setting up their facilities in India and hiring out hundreds of engineers out here and NOT at your end.So your saying that the LCA was a testing bed for foreign tech so you can develop your own (Isn't the LCA your fighter ?) Its been almost a decade since the aircraft flew and your still having large amounts of foreign input on it. Now your saying your going to be able to build a 5th gen aircraft ? What will that take a 2 to 3 more decades of foreign input ? Another sinkhole ?
I have no problem with anything entering our Air Force we are already set with our F-35/F-16s/Possible Eurofighter and if the JF-17 needs induction that can be added too. It is just that you seem to be under the impression that a JF-17 can not be made stealthy. Though now your maintaining that it can just not F-35/F-22 stealth which is a no brainer.
We haven't spent time reinventing anything. We experimented with new materials and mastered the tech (which you haven't done yet), created our own engines that performs to orginal specs though not to the new specs (the same as above), our own radar which right now has most components made in India and uses an Israeli processor. We spent time building AESA tech (which gives us our Awacs), we visited our windtunnels well over 7000 times to learn how to make a combat plane fly. We set up a whole new test facility for flight testing. We feel an acute need now to set up a high altitude test facility (And I hope we build that one too).
And you think making some parts is gonna make you equal our Industrial technological strength. Good luck for that.Buddy we make parts for the F-35,A400M,Eurocopter Group,etc and build F-16s, we have also been offered a multibillion dollar contract to build EFTs in Turkey. And we use your LCA's state of the art Israeli made radar in our F-4 Terminators.
