China needs foreign workers. So why won’t it embrace immigration?

[Viet]

China is not an immigration country like the US, so China doesn't care and doesn't want immigrants in general.

That’s right China has never been an immigration country however your people liken to expand territory to accommodate people within chinese civilization.
Personally I would go to HK. Most Viets don’t go to China. We go around, we go to Taiwan, Singapore, Korea or Japan. I think in 5 or 10y Vietnamese will make up the largest foreign groups in Japan, Korea and Taiwan.
China is big. Population is big.
There is no need to import immigrants.
Korea is the opposite. It dying if no immigrants coming in. Korea population decline is worse than Japan. It’s actually the worst. We will save Korea from extinction.

 

[etylo]

That’s right China has never been an immigration country however your people liken to expand territory to accommodate people within chinese civilization.
Personally I would go to HK. Most Viets don’t go to China. We go around, we go to Taiwan, Singapore, Korea or Japan. I think in 5 or 10y Vietnamese will make up the largest foreign groups in Japan, Korea and Taiwan.
China is big. Population is big.
There is no need to import immigrants.
Korea is the opposite. It dying if no immigrants coming in. Korea population decline is worse than Japan. It’s actually the worst. We will save Korea from extinction.

I wouldn't mind for China's population to slowly drop to around 500 millions for people there to have optimum living conditions, but, that probably never will going to happen. China now is overpopulated. No. China in history only dominates and rules territories that are considered crucial for the survival of Chinese population and civilization.

I don't know if Japan and Korea are ready to accept large number of foreign immigrants. Their societies are pretty much closed.

 

[Viet]

I wouldn't mind for China's population to slowly drop to around 500 millions for people there to have optimum living conditions, but, that probably never will going to happen. China now is overpopulated. No. China in history only dominates and rules territories that are considered crucial for the survival of Chinese population and civilization.

I don't know if Japan and Korea are ready to accept large number of foreign immigrants. Their societies are pretty much closed.

I seriously doubt multiple Chinese invasions of Vietnam since the Qin to the Ming to communist Deng were necessary for China’s survival.

About Korea, Japan, no they are not immigration countries, either. It’s just Viets can easily blend in they don’t even know it. If we want we can copy them we can be more Koreans, more Japanese than themselves.

 

[etylo]

I seriously doubt multiple Chinese invasions of Vietnam since the Qin to the Ming to communist Deng were necessary for China’s survival.

About Korea, Japan, no they are not immigration countries, either. It’s just Viets can easily blend in they don’t even know it. If we want we can copy them we can be more Koreans, more Japanese than themselves.

Vietnam was considered part of main Chinese civilization so China wanted to bring Vietnam under its rule for thousand of years. 1979 war was waged becos Vietnam allied militarily with Soviet to seriously threaten China's security. You just have to look at Inner Mongolia, Outer Mongolia and Xinjiang where the most numbers of big wars Chinese fought in history and the biggest most well known Chinese expansion territories, these regions were all used repeatedly as bases in history by the powerful Huns, Turks and Mongols to launch attacks and wars against Chinese dynasties. So, China had to gain control of these territories to ensure the survival of Chinese population and civilization and eventually drove the barbarians Huns and Turks out of the regions to faraway lands and defeat, surrender and sinicize the Mongols near Chinese borders.

Japan and Korea might accept workers from Vietnam and other greater East Asian countries, but probably not immigrants.

 

[OIO]

Up to a point.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653683057159999488

IMHO, it’s actually the opposite. China doesn’t need immigrants as automation will make many jobless as is the risk in South Korea, the most automated country. The issue won’t be the lack of jobs, but that many people don’t want to work in factories anymore, with long hours and relatively low pay.

What China needs to achieve it competitive products across the leading industries, to support a consumption led economy with most workers in the services sectors, and maintain growth and a stable economy should western markets become less open to Chinese products.

If any immigrants are to be allowed, it’s rich foreigners that want to live in China akin to rich foreigners in the GCC, as well as top talent workers that can found and grow industry leading companies.

For China moving some of its labor intensive industries (that have become cost prohibitive or being tariffed to uncompetitiveness) to friendly nations can help support their partners economies which in turn give opportunities to higher end Chinese companies to sell new products to increase productivity. Something like a Chinese version of John Deere putting out new and innovative products to boost agricultural productivity.

If some of these products are also in high demand in the country these factories are loved to, the products can also be sold to the local market and nearby markets, further boosting sales. Products like this would have be relatively high margin as well, primarily electronics, such as Solar panels, air conditioners, TVs, Furniture, Toys, perhaps even boats as stated in the following piece from a few years ago.

The product that could have the most impact could be EVs, akin to Mexico’s auto manufacturing advantage. Automation can’t get around tariffs.

It’s these tariffs and labor costs that have made even Chinese colonies set up factories in Mexico for the US market. If China sets up show in Pakistan for the GCC and European Markets, it could also benefit similarly as well.

China's higher education recruits too many useless college students, especially liberal arts students, and most people need vocational education.

 

[Viet]

Vietnam was considered part of main Chinese civilization so China wanted to bring Vietnam under its rule for thousand of years. 1979 war was waged becos Vietnam allied militarily with Soviet to seriously threaten China's security. You just have to look at Inner Mongolia, Outer Mongolia and Xinjiang where the most numbers of big wars Chinese fought in history and the biggest most well known Chinese expansion territories, these regions were all used repeatedly as bases in history by the powerful Huns, Turks and Mongols to launch attacks and wars against Chinese dynasties. So, China had to gain control of these territories to ensure the survival of Chinese population and civilization and eventually drove the barbarians Huns and Turks out of the regions to faraway lands and defeat, surrender and sinicize the Mongols near Chinese borders.

Japan and Korea might accept workers from Vietnam and other greater East Asian countries, but probably not immigrants.

Putin wants to redraw the map of Europe he uses the concept of Russian world, of civilization. He obviously copies China. I have a problem with people who don’t respect national borders. Luckily we have a different concept when creating Indochina.

 

[etylo]

Putin wants to redraw the map of Europe he uses the concept of Russian world, of civilization. He obviously copies China. I have a problem with people who don’t respect national borders. Luckily we have a different concept when creating Indochina.

China sure respects the legitimate borders and sovereignties of all the countries. US is the one that doesn't respect other countries' sovereignties if it sees fit to do so. China still doesn't recognize the Crimea and the four Eastern Ukraine states as Russian even though the two countries have close relations.

 

[Viet]

China sure respects the legitimate borders and sovereignties of all the countries. US is the one that doesn't respect other countries' sovereignties if it sees fit to do so. China still doesn't recognize the Crimea and the four Eastern Ukraine states as Russian even though the two countries have close relations.

Ah come on, China respects national borders, but as long as it fits your interests. I don’t blame you. if I was you I would probably do the same thing. Chinese companies now looting Russia. Sorry to say it. The dumb Russians just don’t realize it. They hate the west too much.

I think we are off topic.

 

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[tower9]

I seriously doubt multiple Chinese invasions of Vietnam since the Qin to the Ming to communist Deng were necessary for China’s survival.

About Korea, Japan, no they are not immigration countries, either. It’s just Viets can easily blend in they don’t even know it. If we want we can copy them we can be more Koreans, more Japanese than themselves.

I’d personally rather live in Vietnam than South Korea. Korea is such a depressing country and society.

 

[Cheepek]

Chinese should import Pakistani manpower in huge numbers, it will be win-win for both countries. Pakistani manpower can help to keep cost of manufacturing low.
People to people relations are already higher than Mariana trench & deeper than Himalayas.

 

[etylo]

Ah come on, China respects national borders, but as long as it fits your interests. I don’t blame you. if I was you I would probably do the same thing. Chinese companies now looting Russia. Sorry to say it. The dumb Russians just don’t realize it. They hate the west too much.

I think we are off topic.

Which countries' territories have China occupied now ? Looting Russia what ? China is just doing normal business with Russia with all the more easier becos of West sanctions.

 

[Mista]

China would be better off focusing on automation and raising the birth rate. Immigration would make very little difference to China as her population is just too large for immigration to ameliorate their demographic issue.

Its workforce is shrinking >10mil per year on average, or around the size of Taiwan's workforce every year. China's decline in workforce is almost the size of Germany's in just the past 3 years, and the trend is accelerating.

Which means to say, even if the entire Taiwanese workforce move to China it only delays their workforce decline for a year. Even if the entire German workforce learn Chinese and move to China, it delays their workforce decline for only 3 years.

So where do China find that many workers, who are qualified and can speak at least basic Chinese, every year?

China Loses More Than 40 Million Workers as Population Ages

China’s number of working people has fallen by more than 41 million in the past three years, reflecting both the coronavirus pandemic’s toll on the economy and a decline in the working age population.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[FuturePAF]

China's higher education recruits too many useless college students, especially liberal arts students, and most people need vocational education.

Definitely. Too many people feel hopeless when they can’t get a job. Giving them an education they can’t benefit from leads to the lie flat movement and songs likes “Those without dreams don’t get sad”

A model like the German education system that sorts people at an earlier age would be more useful as china needs people to acquire the skills for the future job market. This is especially true if Chinese companies hope to become leading in their fields globally.

 

[VCheng]

How does China have a labour shortage? There are over a billion people there!

It is all about the changes in the workers per retiree ratio.