China likely to unveil Defence spending for 2012 on this weekend

[S10]

What does internal weakness has to do with agressive is bad theory？
sui dynasty died for his weakass military force，and was replaced by another chinese dynasty，and tang did exactly what sui had did but more succesfully：attack and torn goguryeo into pieces.but coward song dynasty died for their cowardness and replaced by foreign mongolian dynasty，what did you learn from it？

Sui Dynasty would have been fine if it wasn't so militarily aggressive, and launched two campaigns into Goguryeo. Tang Dynasty took over 30 years to defeat the same foe, and it went into decline after the Anshi Rebellion. A primary reason was that generals were given too much power to grow their forces and conquer, and they used it to obtain personal power, like the military-industrial complex. Song dynasty was never in a position to fight Mongols, since they had lost vast amount of lands to Liao and Jin empire that came before the Mongols.

Not going on aggressive goose chase around the world does not mean you do not keep a strong national defence. I notice chickenhawks like to pain anyone who won't support their cause as weak or cowardly, and that's precisely why military industrial complex attracts so much idiots to prop them up. Pure propaganda and stupidity of hawks are like butter to bread.

Look at this quote from Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities … We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people."

 

[CommonCause]

The problem with spending on the military, even if it is domestic, is that the money doesn't trickle down. Most of the money stays with a small group of people.

 

[Sasquatch]

$120 billion, it could go up to $160 billion in 2013.

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Since most of our defence spending goes into our indigenous industries, it's not a problem to spend a larger percentage of GDP.

Since all the money is going straight back into China.

This will provide a multiplier effect for our economy, creating jobs and increasing our technological base.

Check out my thread on R&D funding Increasing.

 

[aimarraul]

i just can't imagine what china's defence budget will be in 2050....................just look at this chart-

we cannot predict the future, we can only plan and work towards it.

 

[Sasquatch]

i just can't imagine what china's defence budget will be in 2050....................just look at this chart-

I don't want China to exceed the the budget of the usa until we get a bigger economy then them, until that time we will invest in our people.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ideally, you'd want no military.

However, in the real world, you actually want the best military you can afford because the real world is less like a farm and more like a jungle. there's bears, eagles, pandas and elephants, as well as smaller poisonous insects and rats roaming around.

The key to surviving in today's world is a very large nuclear arsenal. since conventional forces are going to be rarely used anyways, the final guarantor of national security is the ICBMs. maintainence, initial cost and deployment cost are all lower for ICBMs than for equivalent firepower of conventional forces. unless your country is planning to use conventional forces to rob others, then a large nuclear force is just as good.

 

[Raphael]

^China already has a nuclear arsenal large enough for a full retaliation second-strike capacity, in accordance with MAD. Stockpiling 10000 missiles like the USA/USSR did at the height of the Cold War would be stupid.

 

[Sasquatch]

Current Budget is $120 billion however western sources say it's even bigger then that to the $200-$250. By 2020 China's military will likely have a $300 billion budget.

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Ideally, you'd want no military.

However, in the real world, you actually want the best military you can afford because the real world is less like a farm and more like a jungle. there's bears, eagles, pandas and elephants, as well as smaller poisonous insects and rats roaming around.

The key to surviving in today's world is a very large nuclear arsenal. since conventional forces are going to be rarely used anyways, the final guarantor of national security is the ICBMs. maintainence, initial cost and deployment cost are all lower for ICBMs than for equivalent firepower of conventional forces. unless your country is planning to use conventional forces to rob others, then a large nuclear force is just as good.

Both Russia and the USA are cutting their arsenals, even China's arsenal is likely to be over 1000 however no way over 3000, China now is Modernizing the nuclear arsenal as well. Trying to Outspend the USA is foolish however Modernization is happening rapidly, PLAN and PLAAF are getting more then the PLA currently.

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^China already has a nuclear arsenal large enough for a full retaliation second-strike capacity, in accordance with MAD. Stockpiling 10000 missiles like the USA/USSR did at the height of the Cold War would be stupid.

Both are cutting back on their arsenals and in no way is over 10,000 nuclear weapons needed in this day.

 

[pzkilo]

What does internal weakness has to do with agressive is bad theory？
sui dynasty died for his weakass military force，and was replaced by another chinese dynasty，and tang did exactly what sui had did but more succesfully：attack and torn goguryeo into pieces.but coward song dynasty died for their cowardness and replaced by foreign mongolian dynasty，what did you learn from it？

sui dynasty died for his weakass military force？？？？

hahahaha, u need to relearn ur history class....hahaha 圣人可汗杨坚发来贺电

 

[pzkilo]

不想让外人特别是阿3看笑话，不过这军坛上我们有些军迷的水平。。。 而且还特别的冲动。。。 言尽于此。

 

[pzkilo]

Sui Dynasty would have been fine if it wasn't so militarily aggressive, and launched two campaigns into Goguryeo. Tang Dynasty took over 30 years to defeat the same foe, and it went into decline after the Anshi Rebellion. A primary reason was that generals were given too much power to grow their forces and conquer, and they used it to obtain personal power, like the military-industrial complex. Song dynasty was never in a position to fight Mongols, since they had lost vast amount of lands to Liao and Jin empire that came before the Mongols.

Not going on aggressive goose chase around the world does not mean you do not keep a strong national defence. I notice chickenhawks like to pain anyone who won't support their cause as weak or cowardly, and that's precisely why military industrial complex attracts so much idiots to prop them up. Pure propaganda and stupidity of hawks are like butter to bread.

Look at this quote from Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities … We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people."

I agree with some of ur arguments but I have to remind u that Song didnt lose vast amount of lands to liao.....

 

[homing28]

中 國 今 年 的 國 防 開 支 ， 將 會 增 加 11.2% ， 達 到 6702 億 元 人 民 幣 。

 

[oct605032048]

中 國 今 年 的 國 防 開 支 ， 將 會 增 加 11.2% ， 達 到 6702 億 元 人 民 幣 。

What a Hindu rate of growth.

 

[twocents]

不想让外人特别是阿3看笑话，不过这军坛上我们有些军迷的水平。。。 而且还特别的冲动。。。 言尽于此。

同三锅斗嘴斗久了，也学会了喊口号，说豪言壮语。

 

[Jiang]

Is actually more like 6% growth because of inflation, military spending as share of GDP/tax revenue continue to decrease.