China, India scaled 'astronomical' heights when West was in Dark Ages

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

By the same standard the Mughals too assimilated themselves into being Indian since they started patronizing a few Hindu temples, festivals and art. The emergence of "urdu" as a langauge also points to assimilation per chinese definition.

What is good for the goose, is also good for that gander.

Communism itself a is Neo colonization since its based on the idea of a European Karl Marx and practices by a Russian called Lenin.

I am ignoring your Straw Man called HK since its clear that you just want to knock it down and claim some sort of moral victory.

I state what are facts.

Oh the mughal emperors were Hindus? Mongolia and central asia was and is part of the Indian nation?

What has politics got to do with neo colonialism(Karl marx was a Jew btw). So Vietnam, north Korea, Cuba, Bolivia and all other past n present Communist states were Russian colonies/Jewish colonies?

You're getting even more n more ridiculous

You said 'parts of china' was colonised by the british, when only Hong Kong was a British colony. U're imposing your own civillizational weakness, helplessness and uselessness on to the Chinese. Your people were disunited and exploited by your masters that continues to this day.

 

[Gadkari]

I let you win on Mughal but Mughal essentially speak Persian and practice Islam which is far from majority Hindu but you will lose on the British empire part? Tell me, did British speak Hindi or convert to Hinduism? Is English a critical part of Indian education system? If you don't study English. Can you progress further to PHD in Indian education?

Do Chinese need to speak Japanese or foreign language in order to further their local education?

The english language itself assimilated Hindi world and is full of it now.

Words like Avatar, Bangle, Bandana, chutney, Jungle, Loot, punch, Shampoo, etc.

And for the large part the death of christiantity in the west and england is due to Hinduism. Isn't that self evident ? For most part, they are people how now practice Yoga and reject dogma. You think this would have happend if they hadn't invaded India ? Just compare them to Saudi Arabai which did not have much Hindu influence.

BTW one can certainly do pdf in local Indian languages. Only it would be difficult to find employment.

English is the language of science, hence the desire to learn it. Its also the language of Law.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

The english language itself assimilated Hindi world and is full of it now.

Words like Avatar, Bangle, Bandana, chutney, Jungle, Loot, punch, Shampoo, etc.

And for the large part the death of christiantity in the west and england is due to Hinduism. Isn't that self evident ? For most part, they are people how now practice Yoga and reject dogma. You think this would have happend if they hadn't invaded India ? Just compare them to Saudi Arabai which did not have much Hindu influence.

BTW one can certainly do pdf in local Indian languages. Only it would be difficult to find employment.

English is the language of science, hence the desire to learn it. Its also the language of Law.

Hey u realise u're supporting his position yourself? That the british legacy lives on in India?

Or your IQ of 82 is restricting your ability to see this?

 

[letsrock]

1. Its seems to me that you are a South Indian Rice bag convert. , who is unable to come to terms with his own betrayal of his ancestors, culture and traditions.

2. The oral tradition in Sanskrit was BEFORE the script was invented for it

Once the script was invented, there was both oral and written tradition.

3. Temples follow Agama , not Veda. Agama is a subset of the Vedas. Temple inscriptions mention Vedic Yagna's like Ashwamegha done by patron kings.

E.g. The Raja Surya Yagna conducted by the Chola kings of Tamil Nadu.

4. I couldn't care less of what the jesuits found. ..... did they find the grave of St. Thomas in south India ?

Do you know anything at all ? where were written vedas ? one document was purportedy "found" only in 18th century by british. Vedas were never written thats why an excuse of "sruti" was made up. Not just temples no palaces no structure where anyone carved a vedic text on it. you dont care anything about jesuits ? the entire sanskritic hinduism is based on what the lutheran protestant max mueller wrote. nobody in india itself had any clue.

That was also the time when "scientific racism" was making fast progress in europe. Ever wondered why western indologists had that much fascination for a dead made up language like sanskrit when there were dozens of thriving languages in india then ? because they made themselves the original authors of sanskrit by giving it russian origins. Mueller dedicated his work to Queen Victoria the empress of India. That itself tells the story.

What ashwamedha yaga nonsense. The below is what is called proof of horse sacrifice- this was in china - was there ever such a site in India ?

The english language itself assimilated Hindi world and is full of it now.

Words like Avatar, Bangle, Bandana, chutney, Jungle, Loot, punch, Shampoo, etc.

And for the large part the death of christiantity in the west and england is due to Hinduism. Isn't that self evident ? For most part, they are people how now practice Yoga and reject dogma. You think this would have happend if they hadn't invaded India ? Just compare them to Saudi Arabai which did not have much Hindu influence.

BTW one can certainly do pdf in local Indian languages. Only it would be difficult to find employment.

English is the language of science, hence the desire to learn it. Its also the language of Law.

Wow what delusional rant. Secularism and reduction of christianity in west is due to Hindu "influence". Really ? What about Nazism which used the sanskrit word of "Aryan" made up by western indologists. Was that not a hindu influence then ?

 

[Gadkari]

Do you know anything at all ? where were written vedas ? one document was purportedy "found" only in 18th century by british.

LOL..... what do I care when the british "found" it ? ...... or when the jesuits found it ?

Do you mean to say that things comes into existence only when "found" by the british ? like the way the west "found" America ?

The Veda's themselves talk about the geography where it was written. The river and mountains are all mentioned in the Vedas.

Vedas were never written thats why an excuse of "sruti" was made up. Not just temples no palaces no structure where anyone carved a vedic text on it. you dont care anything about jesuits ? the entire sanskritic hinduism is based on what the lutheran protestant max mueller wrote. nobody in india itself had any clue.

LOL....so the people practicing the religion had no clue what they were doing.

They realized the importance and use of sanskrit only when it was translated into german and english ?

That was also the time when "scientific racism" was making fast progress in europe. Ever wondered why western indologists had that much fascination for a dead made up language like sanskrit when there were dozens of thriving languages in india then ? because they made themselves the original authors of sanskrit by giving it russian origins. Mueller dedicated his work to Queen Victoria the empress of India. That itself tells the story.

Max Muller was PAID by the East India company to translate Hindu texts you fool.

Because the EIC wanted to understand Hindu society better and they though they could do that by understanding Hindu religion. Why would they want to understand a language that had no relevence to the Hindsu or to Indians ?

What ashwamedha yaga nonsense. The below is what is called proof of horse sacrifice- this was in china - was there ever such a site in India ?

LOL.... this is EPIC

Who told you Ashwamedha means Horse "sacrifice" ? Max Muller ?

"Medha" means intelligence in sanskrit. "Ashwa" means horse.

AshwaMedha means "horse sense". Now guess how the word "horse sense" come into english

Next you will tell me that "Yagna" means a "sacrifice"

Wow what delusional rant. Secularism and reduction of christianity in west is due to Hindu "influence". Really ? What about Nazism which used the sanskrit word of "Aryan" made up by western indologists. Was that not a hindu influence then ?

Nazism was pure xtian bigoty and hence their hatred for the Jews, killers of christ.

The Nazi swastika was a "Crooked Cross", white washed post WW2 as a hindu symbol.

Since Max Muller translated "arya" to mean a "race", they jumped the band wagon and called themselves "Aryans" to denote a pure race as per Max Muller. Not as per Hinduism

In Hinduism, "Arya" just means "noble man". A person of education and class.

 

[Leishangthem]

Since Bhirrana, on the Sarasvati River, has been found to be oldest Harappan site, There is now no such thing as the Indus Civilization, what we have now is the Sarasvati Civilization. And what remains to be done is renaming of Indus script as Sarasvati script.

The iconography from the this civilization is common from Haryana to Harappa to Lothal (Ahmedabad) and Dholavira.

Similar examples are the statues of Yakshi's found in Harappa which is similar to Mauryan art.

Another example is the "mast of the animals" symbol that is found from Mohanjodaro and right up to Konkan.

Only the The Konkan Petroglyphs 12,000 Years old.

Yes, I can see that you are desperate to share the glory.

Thanks , but no thanks. I have no intention of crediting the barbarians who ruined my civilization with any credit other that what they richly deserve.

Just for the record, these are some of the 18 great universities that existed in ancient India. THIS is what they look after the islamic invasion.

The Indus valley people were ATHEIST,there isn't dedicated hindu temple anywhere in the excavation. No sign of religious practice . Indus valley civilization occurred in an ancient era where myriads of gene flow was happening in the sindh region.The indus valley people may have been anything even eurasian,tibetic ( since indus river originates from tibetan plateau) or even mix of many gene sets unique to that era . It would be a nothing but a wishful thinking to try and relate the Indus valley civilization to Hindutva and the current genepool of Indians ,which itself is the result of centuries of intermix between various negrito and cacausian genesets.And it took thousands of years for the current "Indo-aryan" gene stock to configure;Indo aryan isn't an old race .

 

[Gadkari]

The Indus valley people were ATHEIST,there isn't dedicated hindu temple anywhere in the excavation. No sign of religious practice . Indus valley civilization occurred in an ancient era where myriads of gene flow was happening in the sindh region.The indus valley people may have been anything even eurasian,tibetic ( since indus river originates from tibetan plateau) or even mix of many gene sets unique to that era . It would be a nothing but a wishful thinking to try and relate the Indus valley to Hindutva and the current genepool of Indians ,which itself is the result of centuries of intermix between various negrito and cacausian genesets.And it took thousands of years for the current "Indo-aryan" gene stock to configure;Indo aryan isn't an old race .

Let me correct you in the begining by calling it by its correct name, the Saraswati valley civilization.

Here is the Shiv Ling found in Harappa,

Here is the Hindu swastika found in there,

Here is Head of Ganesh found in Harappa,

I have already posted evidence of Mohini and Yakshi in previous post.

LOthal has also revealed site for conducting Yagna. The Evidence is clear.

 

[Leishangthem]

Let me correct you in the begining by calling it by its correct name, the Saraswati valley civilization.

Here is the Shiv Ling found in Harappa,

Here is the Hindu swastika found in there,

Here is Head of Ganesh found in Harappa,

I have already posted evidence of Mohini and Yakshi in previous post.

LOthal has also revealed site for conducting Yagna. The Evidence is clear.

Those are a reach.
And Swastika art is not specific to hindu,it has been noted in many cultures all across the world from peru,poland to TIBET and china since medieval period . Hindutva desperately tries to claim the swastika as their own despite the likelyhood that hinduism may itself have acquired swastika from foreign influence.

Again, whatever I said stands. IVC doesn't have any Hindu temple. There would've been a plethora of massive temples built by the idol worshippers if the civilians was Hindu based but there isn't for Hinduism was invented much later .And during that time the Indo-aryan geneset was still thousands of years from its configuration.

 

[Gadkari]

Those are a reach.
And Swastika art is not specific to hindu,it has been noted in many cultures all across the world from peru,poland to TIBET and china since medieval period . Hindutva desperately tries to claim the swastika as their own despite the likelyhood that hinduism may itself have acquired swastika from foreign influence.

Again, whatever I said stands. IVC doesn't have any Hindu temple. There would've been a plethora of massive temples built by the idol worshippers if the civilians was Hindu based but there isn't for Hinduism was invented much later .And during that time the Indo-aryan geneset was still thousands of years from its configuration.

I have just posted image of a Shiv ling so its obvious they had Hindu temples. The remains of one anyway.

Also a Yagna Yupa has been found in Binjor which puts to rest any naging doubts.

 

[rcrmj]

you cant make your people proud by making up fake histories and "inventions"`````

 

[Leishangthem]

I have just posted image of a Shiv ling so its obvious they had Hindu temples. The remains of one anyway.

Also a Yagna Yupa has been found in Binjor which puts to rest any naging doubts.

That may have been used for smoking meats for preservation for all we know .It could have been used for any purpose ,how does one construe from the anvil like assembly that it was used specifically for Yagna Yupa?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

you cant make your people proud by making up fake histories and "inventions"`````

Like the infamous Vedic inventions' such as Vedic spaceships lolx

 

[Gadkari]

That may have been used for smoking meats for preservation for all we know .It could have been used for any purpose ,how does one construe from the anvil like assembly that it was used specifically for Yagna Yupa?

Because Archaeologists know what a Yagna Yupa looks like.

Binjor Yupa of Sarasvati Vaidika civilization is yajñasya ketu (Rig Veda 3.8.8), a proclamation emblem of performance of a Soma Samsthā yajña. Such a yajña yields bahusuvarṇakam; 'many gold pieces' and thus, a wealth-producing metallurgical enterprise performed with śraddhā, 'dedication, devotion' and prayers.

The evidence of yajñakuṇḍa PLUS epigraphs conclusively establish the link of Sarasvati Civilization with Veda traditions and brilliant metallurgical contributions of the Bronze Age made by artisans of the Civilization. Consistent with the purport of Indus Script Corpora, the epigraphs constitute data archives of wealth-production by metallurgists.

 

[Leishangthem]

Because Archaeologists know what a Yagna Yupa looks like.

Binjor Yupa of Sarasvati Vaidika civilization is yajñasya ketu (Rig Veda 3.8.8), a proclamation emblem of performance of a Soma Samsthā yajña. Such a yajña yields bahusuvarṇakam; 'many gold pieces' and thus, a wealth-producing metallurgical enterprise performed with śraddhā, 'dedication, devotion' and prayers.

The evidence of yajñakuṇḍa PLUS epigraphs conclusively establish the link of Sarasvati Civilization with Veda traditions and brilliant metallurgical contributions of the Bronze Age made by artisans of the Civilization. Consistent with the purport of Indus Script Corpora, the epigraphs constitute data archives of wealth-production by metallurgists.

Tell how does one know? and also When was it actually built ? Because "xxx" knows doesn't make it fact.
Y'all talk about IDP performing Yagna yupa when y'all can't even locate one temple dedicated to your idol worship;how ridiculous is that. It's a dead giveaway the civilization didn't stem from Hindutva.
The biggest city of indus valley Mohenjo Daro also have zero temple and from the architecture, the social structure was very different than that of a Hindutva culture without social stratification.The civilization was total opposite of that is found within hindutva system.

 

[Gadkari]

Tell how does one know? and also When was it actually built ? Because "xxx" knows doesn't make it fact.
Y'all talk about IDP performing Yagna yupa when y'all can't even locate one temple dedicated to your idol worship;how ridiculous is that. It's a dead giveaway the civilization didn't stem from Hindutva.
The biggest city of indus valley Mohenjo Daro also have zero temple and from the architecture, the social structure was very different than that of a Hindutva culture without social stratification.The civilization was total opposite of that is found within hindutva system.

The oldest temple in India i.e. the Mundeshwari Temple is dated to 233 BCE. Hindu inscriptions dated 233 BCE were found in the Temple.

Does it mean that Hinduism is only as old as 233 BC ? .

Vedic societies did not have temples. Hindu shastras recommended Temples only for the Kali Yuga. So its only during the latter part of the Kali Yuga that Temples were built as per Agama Tantra. Before that it Vedic Hinduism that was prevalent. So the Siva ling one find's probably belonged to an individual and not to the community. Same with the Ganesha head.

Also the Saraswati civilization is built on bricks, not stones. So Why would anyone find a stone temple there ?