China-Egypt Cooperation (Suez Canal, New Cairo, etc): News & Discussions

[TaiShang]

More ever India is not only the country monitoring china , there are host of other countries which will share info on movement of chinese naval assets. By the time chinese submarines reach Indian ocean it would already been detected by 5 to 6 countries in SCS.

Sound like India-led Sub-continent NATO is already up and running.

 

[xunzi]

Without getting into India's capabilities to choke a sea lane as narrow as that from so close to ANC, with or without alliances, did I say anything about India wanting to choke any other country? Or for that matter, did I even mention any "country" to be targeted specifically at all?

But then pls excuse me, I don't like to engage in arguments with intellectually dishonest people! We both know how that is going to end for me, don't we Mr.Tank?

Our message to the Indian elite remains consistent. Respect freedom of navigation in the Indian Ocean. A blockage will cause inevitable damage to India so I'm not sure why you brought it up. You are a non-threat, meaning we don't believe you have the capability to block. End of story.

 

[vtnsx]

You want to choke a country that has more submarines (around 70) than all of India's destroyers+submarine+frigates combined? Twice over? That sounds smart.

In any case the long route around Indonesia has always existed, it's just not as cost-efficient.

What's the point of having 70 submarines when you're not even using a single one of them? lol
I'm just going to sit here and watch those 70 submarines rot by the seawater.

 

[TaiShang]

What's the point of having 70 submarines when you're not even using a single one of them? lol
I'm just going to sit here and watch those 70 submarines rot by the seawater.

You sit there and we will see which one is going to rot first. You or the submarines?

 

[vtnsx]

You sit there and we will see which one is going to rot first. You or the submarines?

Obviously, the submarines.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What's the point of having 70 submarines when you're not even using a single one of them? lol
I'm just going to sit here and watch those 70 submarines rot by the seawater.

You want us to USE our nuclear/AIP/diesel submarines?

Do you mean you want us to start a war?

Does that mean you admit that we are not actually warmongers since we are not using our weapons?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yes, but the problem is, a deal ratified by one government could be frozen or scrapped by another one. I think, if China is going to really get on this billion-dollar project, it needs to sign a binding agreement with exis clauses that would at least compensate the financial loss.

Also, to ensure elite interest, China needs to get as much of Thailnd power groups into the project as possible- this way, too much interests involved will keep the project alive.

It should not be only China that loses if the project is shelved.

It all depends upon if you have support from the majority of the masses.

If you guys build..and the next guy who comes into power revokes it two outcomes could happen:
1) The people support the project, think the new President is wrong, and his support plummets to zero when they have to pay back money.
2) The people don't support the project, think the new President is correct to revoke it, and they start burning Chinese flags when you guys ask for your money back.

 

[TaiShang]

1) The people support the project, think the new President is wrong, and his support plummets to zero when they have to pay back money.
2) The people don't support the project, think the new President is correct to revoke it, and they start burning Chinese flags when you guys ask for your money back.

The problem is, in inefficient populist polities, opposition may be done in the name of opposing and scoring political points. Hence, whereas the gov't in power underlines the merits of a project/policy, the opposition underlines the shortcomings/negative effects. It is just in the nature of the things that you would not have all the benefits while not assuming any costs.

With effective campaigning, masses can be made pro- or against anything. This is especially so if there is already resentment toward the gov't for one reason or another.

It is just that domestic variables are too many to control but you have to factor all in.

I guess in such mass projects, No 1 task is to set up a very effective PR office.

Another task is, as I said, get the power elites involved. Provide them with tangible benefits. Keep it legal but multilateral.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

China explores ways to bring to life an ambitious infrastructure project that could alter Asia's strategic landscape. Beijing wants to build a 1,200 kilometer long canal across southern Thailand that would provide a lucrative alternative to existing shipping routes and also contribute to the country's maritime security.

Chinese experts refer to the project, which drew its inspiration from the Panama Canal and Suez Canal, as a "golden waterway" or "golden seaway."

The idea goes back centuries

The initiative originated in 1677 when Thai King Narai asked the French to build a canal in the narrowest part of the Malay Peninsula, known as Kra Isthmus. But the technology available at the time was simply not good enough to make it happen.

The idea surfaced many times over the centuries, but it really took off last year when the China-Thailand Kra Infrastructure Investment and Development and Asia Union Group signed a memorandum of understanding. Both Chinese and Thai governments later said that they were not involved in the project.

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If built, the new waterway would allow the ships to bypass the narrow Strait of Malacca, cutting their travelling time to China by 72 hours. The project would help to cut costs on oil shipments from the Middle East and Africa and would also bring extra business to the Chinese ports in Shanghai, Hong Kong and Shenzhen.

In addition, the canal would also provide a necessary boost to Thailand's economy through foreign investment, infrastructure development, toll fees, ship servicing, etc.

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Container terminal in the port of Dalian, China

Who will benefit from Asia's 'Suez Canal'

The project could have "a major impact on both the commercial and strategic landscape of the entire region," expert on China's security policy Lyle J. Goldstein wrote for the National Interest.

"At a minimum, the canal could move the locus of dynamic regional and global maritime trade hundreds of miles to the north, but it could also serve as a major enabler for China's ambitious 'one belt, one road' strategy as well, " the Associate Professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI) at the US Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, noted.

Chinese analysts say that the canal, estimated to cost nearly $30 billion, would not only benefit China. According to the Chinese Foreign Policy journal, Japan, South Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand and other regional nations would be better off from its construction.

For their part, Malaysia and Singapore would hardly be happy if the project is indeed carried out.

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This photo taken on January 8, 2012 shows a worker operating hoists to unload containers at the Kaikou port, in south China's Hainan province

Unexpected challenge to the 'golden waterway'

The project might look lucrative when viewed from China, but, perhaps surprisingly, Thailand has reservations.

On the one hand, Bangkok is worried that the construction could deal major damage to the environment. On the other, there are concerns that separatists in southern Thailand could target the infrastructure project.

Stupendous! Onwards and upwards, China!

 

[onebyone]

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 04 October, 2016, 3:58am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 04 October, 2016, 8:35am

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China Fortune Land Development Co. Ltd. (CFLD) has signed a deal to develop and manage 14,000 acres (5,700 hectares) of Egypt’s new administrative capital at a cost of US$20 billion, the Egyptian cabinet said in a statement on Monday.

The development, which will include homes and offices and all relevant infrastructure, will take place in the second phase of construction of the new capital east of Cairo.

The new capital is one of a series of mega-projects announced by President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi designed to attract foreign investment and create jobs in a country with a booming population of 91 million.

Heralding a new era of closer political and economic ties, China in January signed 21 investment and aid deals worth billions of dollars with Egypt during a visit by President Xi Jinping.

Among the development and infrastructure investments was a deal to build the new capital’s first phase, which Egypt has said will cost some $45 billion.

The new capital, planned to be the size of Singapore, is due to have an airport larger than London’s Heathrow, a building taller than Paris’s Eiffel Tower, and more than 10,000 km (6,200 miles) of streets and avenues.



http://www.scmp.com/news/china/econ...-company-spend-us20-billion-egypts-new-capita

 

[beijingwalker]

Egypt is getting a new capital - courtesy of China
By Kieron Monks, for CNN
Updated 3:25 AM ET, Mon October 10, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/africa/egypt-new-capital/

 

[xyxmt]

The world has seen the US century and see what happened, now time for Chinese century?

 

[Nike]

the rest of the articles from the same sources

Ghost town?
Despite the optimism from officials, there are concerns that the project will encounter familiar problems. Egypt has already constructed several satellite towns around Cairo, which have registered low occupancy despite high investment.


Spectacular architecture in China's largest ghost town
"The needs of Cairo should be met by the existing eight new towns around it," says David Sims, an urban planner and author based in the Cairo. "But people call them ghost towns."
The satellites repeated the same mistakes, says Sims, which are also likely to affect the new capital.
"The new towns produced housing that is unaffordable, unobtainable and inaccessible for the majority of Cairo's inhabitants," says Sims. "The new towns were built with a high modernist approach that did not allow the informal enterprises and activities that most Egyptians rely on."

A street of individually owned villas and apartment blocks rises from the sand in New Cairo, one of the new satellite 'ghost towns.'

another Egypt sinking hole

 

[Jlaw]

indo is still a third world country with very little progress in decades. At least Egypt is willing to think outside the box.

 

[beijingwalker]

China successfully built similar projects in many countries before, especially those in Africa, We will see what this one is going to be like in the near future.