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Relax world, I know what you people fear the most but don't worry China's economy is on track, albeit not as strong as before because of Europe. In fact Goldman sees China's growth slowing to 7 percent for next decade:



(Reuters) - China's economy is expected to grow at a much slower pace of about seven percent over the next decade, but its stock market still has the most attractive upside among "BRIC" countries, according to Jim O'Neill, Chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management.

"China is in the early stages of going from a long period where it was all about the quantity of growth, into an era where the focus is on the quality of growth," O'Neill told a news conference in Singapore.

O'Neill, who coined the term "BRICs" to describe the emerging countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China, said markets have not fully factored in the next decade of slower growth for the world's second-largest economy.

That, he said, explains the underperformance of China's stock market.

After three decades of breakneck development that saw annual growth average of 10 percent, China's government is trying to steer growth lower to complete structural economic reforms.

"We're all used to the drug of 10 percent growth and those days are behind us," said O'Neill.

As China makes its transition, O'Neill expects consumer-related and healthcare companies to benefit, while those that depend on heavy industry production and heavy industry commodities were likely to lose out.

Investors are concerned over the timing of China's planned slowdown, as it could be derailed by the global economic downturn that has sapped overseas orders for exports from China's vast factory sector.

China's CSI300 Index .CSI300 has fallen 2.2 percent so far this year, While the MSCI Asia Pacific ex-Japan's .MIAPJ0000PUS 12.5 percent rise in the same period.

O'Neill said he expected China's A-shares to rise again over the next year, and disagreed with the what he described as a growing consensus that Chinese equities would never rally again.

However, he saw China's economy continuing to struggle in the near term, and said the slowdown in growth may have spread into the July-September period, which would mark a seventh consecutive quarter of slowing growth.

"It's too soon to say a clear recovery is on the way. The Chinese economy still seems to be softening and it's possible that the economy may be weaker in Q3 than it was in Q2," O'Neill said.

"There are not many signs yet of a big easing in financial conditions, which usually is a good leading indicator of momentum."

China is not alone in facing slower growth. Goldman Sachs Asset Management expects all "BRIC" countries, except Brazil, to see lower growth than they did in the last 10 years.

However, their collective share of the world economy will still rise, and O'Neill noted that recent policy reforms that some countries like India and Brazil have introduced are a good sign.

India introduced sweeping reforms two weeks ago, such as raising the price of heavily-subsidized diesel, aimed at shoring up government finances and attracting foreign investment to revive economic growth.

Goldman sees China's growth slowing to 7 percent for next decade | Reuters
 
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So many indian are obsessed with "failing" economy of china!!
Most of indian are in det dream, this just is part of it. big talk, little action, keep it, that's only hope I put on indian, although you are doing these, do it better!
 
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So many indian are obsessed with "failing" economy of china!!
Most of indian are in det dream, this just is part of it. big talk, little action, keep it, that's only hope I put on indian, although you are doing these, do it better!

If you check all the negative post on economy of India and China.... you will know...who is more obsessed
 
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As professor Michael Pettis of Peking University has pointed out, rebalancing the economy will probably involve a fall in the GDP growth rate. He believes that ordinary Chinese will not care if growth falls to 5 percent or even to 3 percent, as long as wages go up, household income rises and they get a bigger share of the pie.
That is what the Chinese government is trying to do. Lower the GDP growth rate to a more healthy 5% and level out inequalities. But india is looking at a debt crisis and currency crisis on top of a return to the "hindu rate of growth."
 
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China services PMI falls to 53.7 as new orders soften
China services PMI falls to 53.7 as new orders soften - Yahoo! News

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's normally robust services sector weakened sharply in September, as slow growth in manufacturing finally began to feed through to the rest of the economy, an official survey showed on Wednesday.

The official purchasing managers' index (PMI) for the services sector fell to 53.7 in September from 56.3 in August, weighed by lackluster new orders, according to the latest survey from the National Bureau of Statistics.
 
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If you check all the negative post on economy of India and China.... you will know...who is more obsessed

China is on the turn, Turning to Hi-tech manufactory. So the labor-intense industries transfer. It seems bad, while the fact is good. China has multi-measures to spur economy, but the Economy is big and the speed of growth slows down is normal.
China's estate is in bubble, so If china govt cut the house-sailing price down, and allowance more money in medical care system, It's people will have much more spare money to spend, and the demand will boom again.
as to India , I think India economy will grow, While both CN and India will suffer the distress of slow down of the speed.
to the developed countries, Europe and Japan will decline undoubtedly. US will be strong again.
 
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China is on the turn, Turning to Hi-tech manufactory. So the labor-intense industries transfer. It seems bad, while the fact is good. China has multi-measures to spur economy, but the Economy is big and the speed of growth slows down is normal.
China's estate is in bubble, so If china govt cut the house-sailing price down, and allowance more money in medical care system, It's people will have much more spare money to spend, and the demand will boom again.
as to India , I think India economy will grow, While both CN and India will suffer the distress of slow down of the speed.
to the developed countries, Europe and Japan will decline undoubtedly. US will be strong again.

dont need to care whatever they post. they got the jealousy gene. so, the only way to cure their sickness is to let them satisfy with what they want to read. just treat them like poeple with mental illness disorders. the importance is to do your best for china
 
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China's tourism industry reaps golden harvest

Xinhuanet

BEIJING, Oct. 7 (Xinhua) -- China's "Golden Week" holiday justified its title with a rise in tourism revenue, National Tourism Administration (NTA) statistics showed Sunday.

The country's 119 major scenic spots received a total of 34.25 million visitors during the eight-day holiday, up 20.96 percent from the corresponding period last year. Tourism income surged by nearly a quarter from 2011 to 1.77 billion yuan (278.39 million U.S. dollars), the NTA said.

The administration said many scenic spots, including the Forbidden City, attracted record volumes of visitors during the longest-ever "Golden Week" bridging the Mid-Autumn Festival and the National Day holiday.

On Tuesday, 186,000 people visited the Forbidden City, or the Palace Museum at the heart of Beijing -- the largest single-day number of visitors ever.

But the holiday tour spree also gave rise to complaints among the public about unpleasantly crowded scenic spots and restaurants as well as traffic congestion.

On Wednesday, thousands of vehicles jammed two mountain roads winding to and out of the Lushan Mountain scenic area in eastern China.

The week witnessed a significant increase in the number of individual road travelers because of the government's policy that exempts passenger cars from road tolls during the holiday.

The policy resulted in unprecedented traffic and caused heavy congestion on major expressways.

According to statistics from the Ministry of Transport, a record of 80.87 million people traveled by road each day during the holiday, adding the total volume to 647 million.

Meanwhile, the country's trains carried 60.95 million passengers, up 9.4 percent year on year, while the number of airway travelers hit 7.61 million from Sept. 29 to Oct. 6.
 
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Interview: China, Russia to embrace investment growth: banker

Xinhuanet


MOSCOW, Oct. 7 (Xinhua) -- As trade between Russia and China is thriving, the two countries can expect a similar growth in investment, says an executive of a leading Russian investment bank.

In a recent interview with Xinhua, Damian Chunilal, CEO Asia for VTB Capital, highly valued the bilateral trade and the expanding connection between the two giant neighbors.

"The recent APEC summit in Vladivostok has demonstrated increasing connections between Russia and the Asian region in general, and China in particular," Chunilal said.

He recalled the goals set by Russia and China of lifting bilateral trade to 100 billion U.S. dollars by 2015 and to 200 billion by 2020.

In 2011, bilateral trade reached 80 billion U.S. dollars, marking a record year-on-year rise of 42.7 percent.

In addition to the growth of bilateral trade, the two countries should step up financial cooperation so as to boost investment flows, including direct investments and portfolio investments.

"We've been seeing it," Chunilal said, referring to the existing investment flows between the two countries.

In June, Russia and China launched the 4-billion-U.S.-dollar Russia-China Investment Fund, established by the Russian Direct Investments Fund and China Investment Corp. This move has been considered as a milestone in bilateral investment in the Far East region.

"We would hope to see more portfolio investment from Asia and, in particular, from China into Russia," Chunilal added.

According to Chunilal, many sectors in Russia, such as natural resources, agriculture and consumer goods production, are likely to attract Chinese investors and business people.

Chunilal praised China for its adjustment of the economic development policy to benefit its people.

"China rapidly evolved from a world manufacturer to a market and the success of economic reforms has real benefits to the economic welfare of the overall population," Chunilal said.

"And I'm very confident that exactly the same is going to happen in Russia," he said.

Indicators for economic growth, the median per capita income and the sovereign debt situation show clearly that Russia's consumer sector is likely to develop rapidly, Chunilal said.

Development of Russia in the recent five years has been impressive, he said, expressing confidence in Russia's future.

As one of the largest investment bank in Russia, VTB Capital will prove its ability to facilitate trade, financial and investment flows between Asia and Russia, Chunilal added.

"We are building our capability to serve Chinese investors," he said.
 
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On Friday, shares of Trina Solar closed at $4.62, down $0.18 for the day. The stock has been falling for a long time, declining more than 85% in the last three years. That’s not bad, however, considering Trina is a Chinese solar company. Rival Suntech Power has seen its shares, also listed on the Big Board, drop. They are at about 2% of their 2007 values. And Yingli Green Energy plunged 7.3% on Friday in New York, and it is now trading close to its five-year low.

In last two years, shares of Chinese solar cell producers have fallen by about half, and more price declines are on the way. The prospects for these manufacturers are poor.

More important, the seemingly intractable problems of the sector highlight the limits—and impending failure—of the country’s industrial policy. It’s not that Chinese technocrats did not accomplish their ambitious goals. They set out to create an industry that would dominate the world, and they succeeded. They aided solar cell manufacturers with easy credit from state banks—perhaps as much as $18 billion of cheap loans—and, some say, subsidies. As a result of central and local government support, Chinese manufacturers began to expand rapidly. Chinese competitors now own 70% of the world’s wafer-producing capacity.

Make that overcapacity. “Massive subsidies and state intervention have stimulated overcapacity more than 20 times total Chinese consumption and close to double total global demand,” said Milan Nitzschke, president of EU ProSun, in a statement released late last month. The company alleges that 90% of Chinese production had to be exported and that Beijing used subsidies to keep its manufacturers in business.

EU ProSun, a subsidiary of SolarWorld of Germany, has filed a complaint with the European Commission alleging China’s subsidies were illegal. The Commission is already investigating charges that Chinese producers have been dumping production in Europe. In July, ProSun filed an anti-dumping complaint with the Commission. European solar panel makers say Chinese companies have been selling at 80% below their cost.

Chinese producers are clearly worried about the investigations in Brussels. Europe, the world’s largest solar market, accounted for $27 billion of their sales last year. That was about a third of their production and 7% of all Chinese exports to the European Union.

The U.S., on the other hand, takes around 7% of China solar exports, and what is left of the American industry is filing trade actions against Chinese producers as well.

U.S. manufacturers, led by SolarWorld, have already won preliminary relief. An initial Commerce Department decision in May of this year imposed countervailing duties of between 2.90% to 4.73%, to make up for Chinese subsidies, and anti-dumping duties of about 31%. On Wednesday, Commerce issues its final decision, and producers are hoping those tariffs will be increased.

The International Trade Commission is expected to make its announcement in November. Last year, the Commission voted 6-0 in favor of American producers. Just about no analyst expects a reversal.

Chinese producers are already bracing for the imposition of stiff penalties on both sides of the Atlantic. As a first step, they are using components manufactured elsewhere. That maneuver technically avoids the U.S. duties, at least for the moment. U.S. manufacturers want the Commerce Department to broaden the tariffs to cover this stratagem.

In any event, Chinese manufacturers know they will have to come up with more permanent solutions to avoid crippling trade penalties. Their latest tactic is to buy European competitors. Guangdong Aiko Solar Energy this summer purchased Scheuten Solar of the Netherlands, and Hanwha SolarOne Co. recently announced plans to acquire Germany’s Q-Cells, a move Hanwha said was designed to avoid European trade sanctions.

The only problem is that locating manufacturing to Europe won’t work due to the high costs—40% higher than China. There are, of course, alternatives. China Sunenergy Co. said it would move panel assembly lines to Turkey this year, and analysts expect Chinese companies will shift production to Thailand, India, and Sri Lanka as well as Taiwan. Yet costs of production will still rise for Chinese producers. In Taiwan, for instance, costs are still 15% above those across the strait in China.

Costs, of course, are crucial. Even with all the advantages of manufacturing in China, the country’s largest solar panel makers suffer losses of one yuan for every three yuan of sales.

The industry-wide unprofitability means that Chinese technocrats have to throw their world-dominating industry a lifeline. In the last week of September, the China Securities Journal reported that the state-run China Development Bank, which is specifically tasked with implementing Beijing’s policies, would be giving priority to 12 of China’s largest solar companies.

More lending to an industry that gorged on credit is only a short-term tactic at best.

The only real solution is closing production lines to get capacity in line with demand. Suntech Power is shutting down about a quarter of its capacity to manufacture solar cells, and it appears that Trina Solar will also slim down its operations in coming months.

Moreover, Beijing technocrats will force other producers to do the same thing. The powerful National Development and Reform Commission wants to see two-thirds of panel makers go out of business. Only the largest producers, which are presently unviable, will survive.

In short, central government technocrats, to salvage their industrial policy, will now have to destroy what they worked so hard to create.

Sun Sets on China's Solar Industry - Forbes
 
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just post it in there Chinese economy thread, no point making new threads.:tup:
 
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The overall Solar market hasn't evolved as expected - there were very high projections in 07-08 and the industry hasn't matched up to the hype it initially generated.
 
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China has the most wind turbine manufacturing companies. Closure of Chinese companies may open up a window of opportunities for Indian companies like Suzlon

1. VESTAS, Denmark
2. Sinovel, China
3. Goldwind, China
4. Gamesa, Spain
5. Enercon, Germany
6. GE Wind Energy, USA
7. Suzlon, India
8. Guodian United Power, China
9. Siemens Wind Power, Germany/Denmark
10. Ming Yang, China

Wind Turbine Manufacturers | BiofuelsWatch.com
 
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