China economy boost the Navy, 6th 052C DDG finished next 055

[BoQ77]

1. CWIS cannot shoot more than 1 target at the same time
2. Will you use Mach 2 missiles to intercept Mach 2.5-3 missiles ? mentioned that US destroyer currently defend by Mach 3.5 missiles as minimum.

 

[Cossack25A1]

The Type 052D resembles the American destroyer ships but with better design and possibly armored mast.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Type 052D resembles the American destroyer ships but with better design and possibly armored mast.

It resembles the Arleigh Burke Class as well as the Kongo and Atago Classes.

 

[cnleio]

1. CWIS cannot shoot more than 1 target at the same time
2. Will you use Mach 2 missiles to intercept Mach 2.5-3 missiles ? mentioned that US destroyer currently defend by Mach 3.5 missiles as minimum.

1. It's not hard for China to get several Club-S missiles from Russian.
2. CIWS is Multiple channel weapon system, it can track missiles during some seconds, especially RAM can fire missiles together
3. At the end of supersonic missile attack, it's a straight line flight coz only seconds afterburner. Type730 or type1130 work simple, they fire Barrage at the front of missile path. HHQ-10 RAM fire missiles to hit coming missile.

 

[BoQ77]

1. It's not hard for China to get several Club-S missiles from Russian.
2. CIWS is Multiple channel weapon system, it can track missiles during some seconds, especially RAM can fire missiles together
3. At the end of supersonic missile attack, it's a straight line flight coz only seconds afterburner. Type730 or type1130 work simple, they fire Barrage at the front of missile path. HHQ-10 RAM fire missiles to hit coming missile.

Do you satisfy with your explanation? If yes, don't worry. Type 055 could be survival.

Below is Shivalik

Armament:
Anti-air missiles:
32-cell VLS launched Barak 1 missiles
24× Shtil-1 medium range missiles

Anti-ship/Land-attack missiles:
8 × VLS launched Klub, anti-ship cruise missiles
or 8 × VLS launched BrahMos, anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles
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And Kolkata destroyer

armament:
Anti-air missiles:
2× 32-cell VLS, for a combination of 64;
Barak 1 missiles (Range: 1 km (0.62 mi) to 12 km (7.5 mi))
Barak 8 missiles (Range: 0.5 km (0.31 mi) to 70 km (43 mi)

Anti-ship/Land-attack missiles:
2× 8-cell UVLM for 16 BrahMos anti-ship and land-attack missiles

 

[William Hung]

cnleio, could you tell us what 055 use to self-defend against Brahmos or Klub-S ?

1. Club S can only go supersonic sea skimming mode at the terminal stage.

CIWS, HHQ-10 and HHQ-16 can take care of it at this terminal stage. Before the terminal stage where the Club S is only goin subsonic, it's even easier for the HHQ-16.

2. Bhramos/YANKHONT'S 300km range is only when it fly in "high-low" mode. Before its within 100km range of the target, it fly high, up to 14km altitude. HHQ-9 can deal with it at this range and attitude.

If it manage to get into terminal range, the other 3 options will be available as mentioned above.

Bhramos/Yankhont has also a "low-low" fly path option. Which mean HHQ-9 unlikely to be able to intercept at long range-low altitude. But the max range of YANKHONT'S low-low mode is only 120km. Your ships can be easily taken out well before its within this 120km range.

Try again my friend.

 

[cnleio]

Do you satisfy with your explanation? If yes, don't worry. Type 055 could be survival.

Below is Shivalik

Armament:
Anti-air missiles:
32-cell VLS launched Barak 1 missiles
24× Shtil-1 medium range missiles

Anti-ship/Land-attack missiles:
8 × VLS launched Klub, anti-ship cruise missiles
or 8 × VLS launched BrahMos, anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles
-------------------

And Kolkata destroyer

armament:
Anti-air missiles:
2× 32-cell VLS, for a combination of 64;
Barak 1 missiles (Range: 1 km (0.62 mi) to 12 km (7.5 mi))
Barak 8 missiles (Range: 0.5 km (0.31 mi) to 70 km (43 mi)

Anti-ship/Land-attack missiles:
2× 8-cell UVLM for 16 BrahMos anti-ship and land-attack missiles

1. Barak-1 missile = HHQ-10 RAM, only 10km short-range anti-aircraft missile
2. Barak-8 missile, Israel didn't provide them to Indian yet, no pics just empty VLS in Kolkata DDG. That Barak-8 controlled by Israeli not Indian.

U can ask Indian members to show ur Barak-8 missile pic on Kolkata DDG, if they can.

China never considered the Supersonic missile as some secret weapon coz we made it and bought it from Russian, China clearly understand the supersonic missile !

Ever bought it

 

[hans]

Right.
Yet when US sell this ship to Japan, US take out all of its attacking feature, leaving only air defense feature..
So Japan version is good at air defense but no good at other function that Burke Class used to have

It resembles the Arleigh Burke Class as well as the Kongo and Atago Classes.

 

[BoQ77]

1. Club S can only go supersonic sea skimming mode at the terminal stage.

CIWS, HHQ-10 and HHQ-16 can take care of it at this terminal stage. Before the terminal stage where the Club S is only goin subsonic, it's even easier for the HHQ-16.

2. Bhramos/YANKHONT'S 300km range is only when it fly in "high-low" mode. Before its within 100km range of the target, it fly high, up to 14km altitude. HHQ-9 can deal with it at this range and attitude.

If it manage to get into terminal range, the other 3 options will be available as mentioned above.

Bhramos/Yankhont has also a "low-low" fly path option. Which mean HHQ-9 unlikely to be able to intercept at long range-low altitude. But the max range of YANKHONT'S low-low mode is only 120km. Your ships can be easily taken out well before its within this 120km range.

Try again my friend.

do you means there's little chance for enemies' missiles to be survival entering 100 km range from China destroyers ?
And there's no other means to destroy low altitude supersonic missile in 100 km range but CIWS ?
Brahmos has the range 300-500 km, what if they launch 4-8 Brahmos missiles at once.

I have a doubt, do you want ( or able to ) to shoot down any subsonic speed vehicle/missiles about 150 km far away from you?

 

[cnleio]

do you means there's little chance for enemies' missiles to be survival entering 100 km range from China destroyers ?
And there's no other means to destroy low altitude supersonic missile in 100 km range but CIWS ?
Brahmos has the range 300-500 km, what if they launch 4-8 Brahmos missiles at once

That's very hard to say, if 5x supersonic missiles incoming together even 5x subsonic anti-ship missiles :
1. Shoot down fighters or destroy missile launchers first
2. Single ship is dangerous in battle water, a Fleet with many air-defence DDGs is GOOD.
3. Whatever supersonic or subsonic anti-ship missile, all need radar guide to the ship on the sea. The fighter can't guide a 300~500km range anit-ship missile, u need the AWACS plane. Find it out and shoot it down.

 

[cnleio]

I have a doubt, do you want ( or able to ) to shoot down any subsonic speed vehicle/missiles about 150 km far away from you?

None, nobody can shot down a 150km far away anti-ship missile even U.S Navy. We wait the missile closer then shoot it.
1. RAM missile 10km range
2. type730 or type1130 CIWS 1~2 km range
3. HHQ-16 missile 40~50km range
4. HHQ-9 missile 70~80km range

The question is how to guide this 150km far away anti-ship missile flight to ship on the sea ?
1. Do u have GPS satelltes chain ?
2. Do u have AWACS plane ?
3. Can fighter's radar guide a 150km range missile ?

If ALL NOT, the fighter carrying the anti-ship missile must fly close to the ship, inside anti-aircraft missiles range.

 

[BoQ77]

None, nobody can shot down a 150km far away anti-ship missile even U.S Navy. We wait the missile closer then shoot it.
1. RAM missile 10km range
2. type730 or type1130 CIWS 1~2 km range
3. HHQ-16 missile 40~50km range
4. HHQ-9 missile 70~80km range

The question is how to guide this 150km far away missile flight to ship on the sea ?

Blackflag told me that HHQ-9 could handles Brahmos over 100 km away.
Both Club-S and Brahmos could be in supersonic mode not less than 60 km - 100 km away from target use inert guidance.
Club-S launched from submarine. The submarine could launch Club-S from 300 km down to 100km away from target.

they are fire and forget missiles, cnleio.
Mentioned that even S300, S400 we could buy from Russia, but Brahmos, Yakhont, ... not so easy.

 

[cnleio]

Blackflag told me that HHQ-9 could handles Brahmos over 100 km away.
Both Club-S and Brahmos could be in supersonic mode not less than 60 km - 100 km away from target use inert guidance.
Club-S launched from submarine. The submarine could launch Club-S from 300 km down to 100km away from target.

they are shoot and forget missiles, cnleio.

LOL ... the anti-ship missile is not as advanced as u said shoot and forget, they all need radar guide to the ship. Especially need radar guide within first 100~200km range flight, only the last 50km flight to ship missile can depend on its radar.

Without AWACS or GPS satellites chain, any >100km range flight anti-ship missile all r Blind Missile. Ur idea the anti-ship missile = human controlled fighter, Wrong !

 

[BoQ77]

LOL ... the anti-ship missile is not as advanced as u said shoot and forget, they all need radar guide to the ship. Especially need radar guide within first 100~200km range flight, only the last 50km flight to ship missile can depend on its radar.

Without AWACS or GPS satellites chain, any >100km range flight anti-ship missile all r Blind Missile. Ur idea the anti-ship missile = human controlled fighter, Wrong !

The missile operates on the “fire and forget” principle, meaning that once it has been launched, it will strike its target without requiring any assistance. It has an inertial navigation system (INS) for use against ship targets, and an INS/Global Positioning System for use against land targets. Terminal guidance is achieved through an active/passive radar. 2 The BrahMos is designed to attack surface targets at altitudes as low as 10 m. The ship and ground-launched versions have a range of 300 km, while the air-launched version has a range of 500 km.

Brahmos missiles could intercom and one could order others which missile aim to which ship.

 

[William Hung]

Blackflag told me that HHQ-9 could handles Brahmos over 100 km away.
Both Club-S and Brahmos could be in supersonic mode not less than 60 km - 100 km away from target use inert guidance.
Club-S launched from submarine. The submarine could launch Club-S from 300 km down to 100km away from target.

they are fire and forget missiles, cnleio.
Mentioned that even S300, S400 we could buy from Russia, but Brahmos, Yakhont, ... not so easy.

HHQ-9 SAM missile can't engage cruise missile at 150km. But it can easily engage Vietcong swing copters and Vietcong frogmen with flappy wings at over 100km.

Where does your sub launched Club S gets it guidance from 100km-300km?