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^ Boeing is still the daddy of the commercial airliner industry. It will take more than superhuman effort to dislodge them.

Also Airbus woudn't like newcomers entering the game and these two will try to preserve their market as much as possible and try to play the Chinese out of the game.

Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.
 
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Ryanair Considering 200-Plus Orders for China’s C919 Plane

Ryanair Holdings Plc (RYA), Europe’s biggest discount airline, said it’s exploring a requirement for at least 200 single-aisle jets with Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China after signing an accord to help develop the C919 model.

Ryanair is interested in a variant of the plane that would carry about 200 people and be available from 2018. The Irish company, which will have 300 Boeing Co. (BA) 737s by 2013, could move to a mixed fleet if the economies offered by a new entrant can at least match those of the current fleet and the price is right, Chief Executive Officer Michael O’Leary said in an interview.

Comac plans test flights for the C919 in 2014, with service entry by 2016. The jet, which seats about 150 people, aims to pry open the Airbus-Boeing duopoly in a single-aisle market that’s the largest part of the civil aviation industry. Ryanair said it’s also in discussions with the U.S. company about its need to replace older planes and that the accord with Comac, as the Chinese company is known, won’t threaten that relationship.

‘Deep Knowledge’

Ryanair could also take out 200 options for narrow-body jets, O’Leary said at a press conference in Paris. Boeing said it would be “inappropriate” to comment on the Dublin-based carrier’s intentions, though it is a “greatly valued” customer.

“We have a deep knowledge and understanding of Ryanair’s operations and fleet requirements based on many years of close, successful partnership,” Michael Tull, a spokesman for Chicago- based Boeing, said in an e-mailed response to questions.

By teaming up with Ryanair to develop the C919, Comac has indicated that it’s “quite serious” about penetrating the single-aisle market, according to Goodbody’s Hughes, who has a “buy” recommendation on the Irish carrier’s stock.

“You would have to see a few orders for the C919 before people are convinced that they are going to be there for the long term,” he added.

‘Very Large Order’

O’Leary said that he’ll place “a very large order” if Comac meet’s Ryanair’s demands. The C919 will be as much as 15 percent more fuel-efficient than existing models, the Chinese company’s sales and marketing manager, Chen Jin, said in March.

“We’ve no interest in trying to muscle Boeing, because we can’t,” he said. “But clearly with the development of the C919 there’s a credible alternative to the 737 and the Airbus A320.”

Because Ryanair needs one cabin-crew member per 50 people, expanding its aircraft to 199 seats from the current 189 would avoid the need for additional staff and hit a “sweet-spot” for per-passenger costs, he said. The carrier wants Boeing to tailor a future 737 variant for the same number of seats, he added.

Ryanair said in 2009 it had pulled out of a deal to buy 200 additional 737s after failing to agree unspecified terms with Boeing, despite having settled on a price for the aircraft.

Airbus SAS, based in Toulouse in southern France, has been offering carriers a version of its A320 single-aisle plane with new engines, slated for service at the end of 2015. The company has picked up more than 500 firm orders or commitments for the aircraft since announcing the plan at the end of 2010.

Boeing has yet to decide whether to follow its European rival down the re-engining path or build an all-new aircraft.

Order Optimism

Comac’s chief designer, Wu Guanghui, said yesterday that the C919, China’s first passenger jet, may attract 50 to 100 more orders in 2011, revising guidance for that number of contracts in total for the full year issued in March.

While there have been are some glitches, the program is “on schedule,” Wu said following the formal signing of an agreement with engine supplier CFM International, a joint venture of General Electric Co. (GE) and Safran SA (SAF) of France.

As of March 31, Ryanair had 272 Boeing 737-800s in its fleet, with firm orders for an additional 40. That makes the Irish carrier the model’s No. 2 operator after Southwest Airlines Co., which has 553, according to research firm Ascend.

British Airways signed a memorandum of understanding with Comac at the Farnborough Air Show in Britain last July, agreeing to initiate talks about “future aircraft needs.”

Ryanair Considering 200-Plus Orders for China
 
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^ Boeing is still the daddy of the commercial airliner industry. It will take more than superhuman effort to dislodge them.

Also Airbus woudn't like newcomers entering the game and these two will try to preserve their market as much as possible and try to play the Chinese out of the game.

Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.

i was refering to th scenario after the chinese stands on their feet in this field.
 
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^ Boeing is still the daddy of the commercial airliner industry. It will take more than superhuman effort to dislodge them.

Also Airbus woudn't like newcomers entering the game and these two will try to preserve their market as much as possible and try to play the Chinese out of the game.

Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.

GE Capital Aviation has already set orders for this plane.

I don't think we will dislodge Boeing within 30 years, but the US financial crisis might devastate their military and industrial infrastructure then all bets are off.
 
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I can't wait for China's own "A380" someday... Hopefully I won't be too old by then. lol
 
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This is what happens when you're too greedy/eager to enter a foreign market & their govt makes it mandatory for you to share tech potentially worth trillions of $$ so in effect you're trading peanuts for the whole of your foreseeable future !
 
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^ Boeing is still the daddy of the commercial airliner industry. It will take more than superhuman effort to dislodge them.

Also Airbus woudn't like newcomers entering the game and these two will try to preserve their market as much as possible and try to play the Chinese out of the game.

Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.
that only exists in brainwashed people's mind with cheap attitude, but international corporations like Boeing, Airbus, Banks, accounting firms and data service companies they all using Chinese end-to-end technology supplies and hardwares which have very little to do with price driven commercial products.

but India's produt quality is another sad story in reality
 
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Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.

They can potentially make good quality products. But if done so, cost will go up. People demand cheap things, so that's what they get.

And as far as aircraft design and quality goes, there can simply be no compromises.
 
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Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components, which will crash in 2 months.

C) It's going to explode like Chinese watermelons and derail like the Chinese national high-speed train which now runs at 200kmph... in 2 months.

Tu gaya baitay tera rung budulnay wala hai ...
 
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