China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

[rcrmj]

From the front at looks a lot like the MS-21.

Chinese stuff looks like anything and everything``i got your point

 

[Project 627]

Chinese stuff looks like anything and everything``i got your point

Calm your horses, all I said was that the front bares some resemblance to MS-21.

 

[Roybot]

If they can get the Chinese airlines to sign up for these planes, that will be good enough to get things rolling.

Chinese domestic market is going to be huge.

 

[marshall]

^ Boeing is still the daddy of the commercial airliner industry. It will take more than superhuman effort to dislodge them.

Also Airbus woudn't like newcomers entering the game and these two will try to preserve their market as much as possible and try to play the Chinese out of the game.

Already existing reputation for Chinese products wouldn't help matters further.

The China market for high capacity airliners will continue its boom for decades. It is not about dislodging Boeing or Airbus or even competing against them for international marketshare. The main goal of the C919 and its eventual descendants is to wean China off dependence of the Boeing, Airbus duopoly for large capacity passenger planes. This will save China many tens of billions of dollars over time and remove another item that can be sanctioned and used as blackmail if China were to ever step too far out of line. Any international sales would just be gravy.

 

[lem34]

Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components, which will crash in 2 months.

C) It's going to explode like Chinese watermelons and derail like the Chinese national high-speed train which now runs at 200kmph... in 2 months.

why are you so negative about an asian country doing so well

 

[FunkyPeace12]

Grats! looks very nice

 

[conworldus]

Calm your horses, all I said was that the front bares some resemblance to MS-21.

Being passive aggressive does not augment your intelligence.

 

[houshanghai]

China's large aircraft to enter the detailed design stage

2011-12-21 (from Xinhua) -- On the morning of Dec. 9, Su Bo, vice minister of Industry and Information Technology announced that the research and development work of the preliminary design stage for C919 large passenger aircraft had been complete and valid, and the overall technical scheme of the aircraft was reasonable and feasible, so that the project was ready to enter the detailed design stage.
Overcome technical difficulties
C919 large passenger aircraft is designed to consume 12 percent to 15 percent less fuel than today’s similar sized aircraft per seat per kilometer, with two percent reduction in empty weight per seat and 50 percent reduction in pollution emissions.
Wu Guanghui, vice president of Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China and chief designer of C919 large aircraft said the corporation has developed 40 key technologies and solved more than 100 technical problems. Since its establishment, the corporation has applied for over 170 pieces of patent, of which more than 40 pieces have been granted.
Innovation ultimately relies on talents
The manufacturing of large aircraft relies on national power and comprehensive capabilities of technology; but ultimately, it relies on talents, and to be specific, on designers.
Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China actively implements the talents strategy to strengthen the enterprise, and increased its number of employees from more than 3,800 at its establishment to more than 7,100 at present, brought in 669 overseas talents, among which 13 were selected for the "Thousand Talents Program".
A technical talents team is formed with over a hundred technical personnel above the rank of deputy director of designers, supporting the R&D of the aircraft model and the development construction of the company.
"In a way, 'Thousands Talents Program’ gives the most benefit to the large aircraft project; it has provided the wings for the project to soar.”
Gather talents from across the country
For Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, the schedule of year 2012 is overflowing with tasks. Now that the C919 large aircraft project has entered the engineering development stage, the design work becomes even more arduous since more than 60 key technologies are still to be overcome.
The large aircraft project argumentation started with an innovative organizational model by gathering the effort and talents from across the country.
The corporation organized a joint engineering team with the Aircraft Design Institute of Shanghai as the core and was actively responded and supported by 47 organizations from 13 provinces and cities, including aviation, aerospace, electronics, metallurgical materials and other industries and sectors as well as colleges and universities; there have been 468 experts gathering on the joint office in Shanghai. China's civil aircraft industry chain has taken shape.

 

[AGENT 47]

china is really progressing in technology. just concentrate on good quality of product.
good luck....

 

[somebozo]

that only exists in brainwashed people's mind with cheap attitude, but international corporations like Boeing, Airbus, Banks, accounting firms and data service companies they all using Chinese end-to-end technology supplies and hardwares which have very little to do with price driven commercial products.

but India's produt quality is another sad story in reality

The reality is that given China large industrial plattform..you can get quality in A B C D grades..depends on what you are willing to pay for...many people complain simply because they are trying to be cheap and want their hands on the best quality product in cheapest possible amount..sorry doesnt work like that..one of my indian friend bought a 200 corore INR iron ore in Sudan and then went full kamikaze on cost cutting...after six month..all his machinery was in shambles..he off-course does not blame his cheapness..but th Chinese!

Another shameful fact is that Indian use tactics of bad mouthing china and constantly comparing themselves to the whites as means of expediting their business..We had a meeting recently with NBC rep in Saudi Arabia, he spent 60% of the time band mouthing Chinese products and the remaining 40% time comparing himself to SKF (Swedish). Definitely not knowing that while NBC may have its own strong points, India in general does not have the scientific base and might to compete either with the Chinese or the Swedish.

Definitively, he knew the fact that the Chinese brand he was trying to compete against has far more international approvals than NBC!

 

[Black Widow]

that only exists in brainwashed people's mind with cheap attitude, but international corporations like Boeing, Airbus, Banks, accounting firms and data service companies they all using Chinese end-to-end technology supplies and hardwares which have very little to do with price driven commercial products.

but India's produt quality is another sad story in reality

and @PakShah, Determined Tiger, FairAndUnbiased and 1 others thanked this.

With all due respect, I beg to differ from your view. Chinese products and Made in china product is two entirely different things.
Assume, You are CEO of Boeing, as a CEO of boeing you are highly concerned about Quality. No matter you purchase or buy your machines from USA, Europe, Africa India or china, you will not compromise on quality. So the companies like Boeing,Nokia,Dell,Apple etc have there center in China, They produce their spare parts in china, But still they govern the quality. So there products are not "Chinese product.

On the other hand if you are CEO of Huwaie, No matter where you make your products (China,USA, India or Timbak too). Your product will be below quality (I have worked for Huwaie, I know This chinese company spend least money on Quality assurance and testing). Your product will be "Chinese product".

Now in future if you talk bout chinese products, please don't include Boeing,Apple or any western quality controlled products.

@Indian product quality: Yes you may be right, Our products are not of good quality as westerns, But I bet they are not as "cheap" as chinese products...


Regs
Nj

 

[shuntmaster]

C919 will have competition from Sukhoi superjet 100 RTA

My bets are on sukhoi superjet 100

 

[shuntmaster]

Indian low-cost regional jet in development.

NAL RTA-70

 

[Aramsogo]

Your story would be more believable if you knew how to spell Huawei.

You wrote: (I have worked for Huwaie, I know This chinese company spend least money on Quality assurance and testing). Your product will be "Chinese product".

With all due respect, I beg to differ from your view. Chinese products and Made in china product is two entirely different things.
Assume, You are CEO of Boeing, as a CEO of boeing you are highly concerned about Quality. No matter you purchase or buy your machines from USA, Europe, Africa India or china, you will not compromise on quality. So the companies like Boeing,Nokia,Dell,Apple etc have there center in China, They produce their spare parts in china, But still they govern the quality. So there products are not "Chinese product.

On the other hand if you are CEO of Huwaie, No matter where you make your products (China,USA, India or Timbak too). Your product will be below quality (I have worked for Huwaie, I know This chinese company spend least money on Quality assurance and testing). Your product will be "Chinese product".

Now in future if you talk bout chinese products, please don't include Boeing,Apple or any western quality controlled products.

@Indian product quality: Yes you may be right, Our products are not of good quality as westerns, But I bet they are not as "cheap" as chinese products...


Regs
Nj

 

[shuntmaster]

Other possible competitors to C919

Irkut MS-21

Bombardier C-series

Embraer E-Jet