China City Bans Long Beards, Islamic Clothing on Buses: Report

[That Guy]

Sir, seeking political independence for a country is different, castly different from seeking to unite scores of different countries (by ANY definition of a country you may follow) and then implementing islamic harsh system there with the guiding principle being islamic absolute supremacy. Many of the fighters are from ''traditionally non islamic countries''!!!

I disagree, it isn't different in this case. Islamic law is being used as a base of governance, but their goals of establishing a nation, or forcing out foreign powers is secular, is it not?

Your LTTE example is so flawed, when half of their leadership including chief ideologues were christian. The LTTE did not even cremate their dead but buried them, they were 100% Tamil nationalists, religion had no role to play except to the extent their adversaries tried to use religion to fight LTTE.

News to me. Do you have any source? If true, I stand corrected.

Having said that, does my point really get negated? My example may have been wrong, but my point still stands. Look at the militias in the US, they're mainly hardcore far right Christian groups, but are referred to ultra nationalists.
o add that Islam to ISIS and AQ is a unifying factor. Think about it, how else are they going to gain recruits from the global Muslim population? They've made themselves out to be pious Muslims, so they can gain sympathy. The fact that both AQ and ISIS have committed heresy by blatantly ignoring Sharia, by targeting civilians, and using suicide bombings, that is proof enough to show that these are not truly 100% religious organizations.

Look, don't take it from me. I'm not telling you to automatically believe my words. Here...

The Hard Truth About Suicide Bombers | Alternet

Dying to Win - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More professional sources that have done their research.

This is not me saying these words, this is professional sources.

Start here if you want to research about this.

 

[That Guy]

The only agreement I could find out from you post is that we need no more communication cuz we share few common values. Germans are all fools. They should not blame themselves at all if they did not kill people by themselves. That is your understanding and I could only view words like this as lacking of sympathy for victims and common knowledge of history. Or a better explanation is that Germans killed Jewish? Who knows? LOL.

Sympathy and guilty aren't the same. Should the Germans sympathize? Yes, should they feel shame? No.

Should the Japanese feel sympathy for the Chinese victims of world war 2? Yes, but they don't need to feel guilty for something that happened a very long time ago.

And I bet no common Chinese people will support you any more when you support both Ughur terrorists and the Japanese at the same time. Jesus, that is a really impressive move of showing "friendship".

That's an extreme conclusion you've come to. Where did I support Uyghur terrorism? Where did I support Japan?

Also, you and I aren't friends. I've said it before, I like China, but I have no illusions about China's goals in Pakistan.

Actually, I'd go so far as to say that many Chinese would agree with me over your ridiculous statements, as many of the Chinese members on the forums are actually quite like minded with myself.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

I did not expect you to say "yes". Very few Muslims admit that there are flaws in Quran or it should be developed along with the age,and those people are viewed as betrayers of Islam. You are talking a totally different thing about nationalism and every one in the world knows that "jihad fighters" of Al-quaeda and ISIS are not nationalists.They based on religion. They claim to fight for Islam. Then the question is why Islam? Why not Christianity? Yes, Christianity used to be conservative but it had been reformed and people do not link Christian with terrorists nowadays. An easy point here is: if most people in the world "misunderstood" you, then there must be something wrong with yourself.

Yes, ETIM used to be more like pure separatists, but things had changed a lot in this a few years, they are seriously influenced by Wuwahhidun and claim to fight "jihad". They are just slaughtering ”kafirs" in most cases now.

They will not admit it it. If some of them commit terrorism, they will say " He is not a muslim. He is not following true Islam ". And after that they will show you some translation ( which can be twisted also) to support their claim.

 

[zxmint]

@zxmint my country is truly a loyal ally of China n we also got brotherly relations to other countries n all of you helped us in need no doubt about that n thats one of the reason we love n respect those countries as we are not unthankul people..but me n you know the limit of such help of those countries involved..do you think china n other countries who are investing in Pakistan will get nothing n they r giving everything for free?they ll get much more in return.

We got much more return? Oh then just stop losing money my man. Just joking. I know you wannna show hospitality. What I want to remind is that, domestic affairs, no matter if it concerns with religions, are China's own business and we tolerant no foreign interventions. That is the red line for any country.

 

[That Guy]

They will not admit it it. If some of them commit terrorism, they will say " He is not a muslim. He is not following true Islam ". And after that they will show you some translation ( which can be twisted also) to support their claim.

The stupidity of your posts know no bounds.

We got much more return? Oh then just stop losing money my man. Just joking. I know you wannna show hospitality as well as keeping dignity.

It's ironic, weren't you the one talking about friendship, and now it looks like you're trying to make a fool of Pakistanis. So much for your friendship. Also, China IS getting quite a bit from Pakistan, don't pretend otherwise.

What I want to remind is that, domestic affairs, no matter if it concerns with religions, are China's own business and we tolerant no foreign interventions. That is the red line for any country.

Probably the only thing we both can agree on. This is China's internal matter, and even if people have a difference of opinion, no one has any right to interfere.

 

[zxmint]

Why should the Pakistanis not support Japan? As far as I know, Japan and Pakistan have been political friends, and economic partners since the very beginning. Please don't include Japan in your tirade. Or try to poke fun of our two nations' relationship.



Very well said, Ms. @Mugwop . We can be happy that the Chinese Government isn't adopting such policy, but only one city in Xinjiang. I believe the thread title is quite misleading.

Oh, stop being so hypocritical. Be a man! You know what I mean here for "support". I mean the history issue. The apology of invasion war. Clearly his comment really matches what you thought: Getting away from the responsibility of WWII. Well, to be honest, we Chinese do not need your apology at all, we even gave up the war amendments. And you should know what does it mean by that, if you are clever enough.

 

[pher]

The stupidity of your posts know no bounds.


It's ironic, weren't you the one talking about friendship, and now it looks like you're trying to make a fool of Pakistanis. So much for your friendship. Also, China IS getting quite a bit from Pakistan, don't pretend otherwise.
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I was curious what quite a bit we get from Pakistan? Enlighten us pls

 

[Aepsilons]

Oh, stop being so hypocritical. Be a man! You know what I mean here for "support". I mean the history issue. The apology of invasion war. Clearly his comment really matches what you thought: Getting away from the responsibility of WWII. Well, to be honest, we Chinese do not need your apology at all, we even gave up the war amendments. And you should know what does it mean by that, if you are clever enough.

You're clearly deluded yourself into putting words in my mouth. Did I ever, in any of my posts here mention about Japan's war activity in China over 70 years ago? You've been antagonizing from the get go, my dear.

I agree with @That Guy in that the current generation of Germans should not be held accountable for the misdeeds of the older generation (their grandfathers', great grandfathers') in the war era. That was a time when Nazi Germany existed, the Germany of today is embedded in international legislation that acknowledges human rights, is active in human rights issues, contributes to the welfare of refugees. I suggest you really re-assess your position and cease your insinuation.

Respectfully,
@Nihonjin1051

 

[That Guy]

I was curious what quite a bit we get from Pakistan? Enlighten us pls

A much shorter passage to middle eastern markets, instead of having to go around like China is doing currently. Pakistan is practically handing it's sovereignty over Gwadar to China. Many of the infrastructure projects in Pakistan are being awarded to Chinese companies, along with defense contracts. A potential oil pipeline from Iran may end up going from Pakistan to China, though this is still in talks phase.

To say that China isn't benefiting from Pakistan is simply wrong.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Well, well, I knew I can never persuade a muslim to rethink about their religion, even if a tiny point. It is a virtue and understandable to be devout and loyal to your own religion.

But when some parts of your religion doctrine,especially the "jihad" part, is being "misunderstood" or "got used of" again and again, by more and more people, causing countless casualties, I was wondering how you feel about that?

How you feel when you see hundreds of innocent people get killed by terrorists who have the same religion belief with you?

Have you ever feel regret or shame for that? I think most of you just feel like they have nothing to do with you, and any response caused by those brutal acts are unfair to you. You are always right. Then how could you expect the rest of world understand, sympathize you if yourself hold an attitude like this? Most Common German citizens felt guilty even though they were not Nazis and some of the Germans even feel guilty today, more than half a century after WWII. Have you ever feel guilty for those terror attacks? I bet the answer is NO.

What he is saying that you have to follow their rules,(both religious and national) when you are in minority or you are in their country. But they will follow their rules( and not your rule or law) when they are in your country or they are in minority because they think that their rules are superior than yours. For example suppose you have a school and every student has to wear school dress. But they will not wear it because they have to follow their own dress code( burqa ) which they think that their divine duty. And believe me. You can not convince them.

 

[zxmint]

The stupidity of your posts know no bounds.


It's ironic, weren't you the one talking about friendship, and now it looks like you're trying to make a fool of Pakistanis. So much for your friendship. Also, China IS getting quite a bit from Pakistan, don't pretend otherwise.


Probably the only thing we both can agree on. This is China's internal matter, and even if people have a difference of opinion, no one has any right to interfere.

I did not mean to fool anyone and I am sorry if my words caused any misunderstandings. But don't you think it is not that appropriate or even not correct at ll that Chinese is getting much more from Pakistan?

 

[Aepsilons]

A much shorter passage to middle eastern markets, instead of having to go around like it is doing currently. Pakistan is practically handing it's sovereignty over Gwadar to China. Many of the infrastructure projects in Pakistan are being awarded to Chinese companies, along with defense contracts.

To say that China isn't benefiting from Pakistan is simply wrong.

I will also add that China benefits from China-Pakistan bilateral trade, with a balance of trade that benefits China. Pakistan and China signed a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in November 2006, after which Chinese products flooded the local markets. While Pakistan imports about 1,000 items from its neighbour to the north, exports to the country stand at a dismal below-50 figure. Furthermore, between December 2006 and August 2010, Pakistan imported around $11.1 billion worth of goods from China. The value of Pakistan's exports to China over the same period was only $0.25 billion. The Chinese have invested in infrastructure in Pakistan, but at the same time, the long term benefits will cater to Chinese interests. Especially with the consideration of Gwadar and the warm water port that China has access to.


Best,

 

[That Guy]

I did not mean to fool anyone and I am sorry if my words caused any misunderstandings. But don't you think it is not that appropriate or even not correct at ll that Chinese is getting much more from Pakistan?

I don't know the numbers so I won't comment and make myself look foolish if I'm wrong, but I will say that this relationship is mutually beneficial. Pakistan benefits from Chinese investments, and China benefits from Pakistan's geographical location, but there is no denying that the current trade relationship is currently in China's favor.

 

[Cherokee]

Their country , their rules . They don't interfere with anyone's internal matter and we should do the same .

 

[Aepsilons]

I don't know the numbers so I won't comment and make myself look foolish if I'm wrong, but I will say that this relationship is mutually beneficial. Pakistan benefits from Chinese investments, and China benefits from Pakistan's geographical location, but there is no denying that the current trade relationship is currently in China's favor.

You're right. The balance of trade favors China. Permit me to share an illustration: