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[Deino]

4, because the report said 4 are to be delivered this year.

 

[j20blackdragon]

See how Russians like to 'blab' on and on about speculative arms deals whether real or fake? They've been talking about this Su-35 thing since November 2015. This is why I find it extra strange that there is no news whatsoever regarding AL-31FN engine sales between Salut and CAC. Both J-20 and J-10C production are ongoing. You can be sure that if the Russians were providing engines, they would talk nonstop about it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Russia slapped China in the face when it wanted to give J-11B to Pakistan by blocking the sale.

it is their right sir than they don't allow to sell it to Pakistan because J-11B is unlicensed copy of Su-27

 

[Deino]

@Alpha Fighter !

Stopp, immedaetly ! If You want to troll around and continue, then go and search for another forum or face the consequences.

This thread is on Su-35-sales to china and not again to bash Chinese engine reliability or anything else.
By the way get at least the facts correct: The WS-10A is a matured and reliable engine; PERIOD and regardless that Western engines have a higher service live of TBO.
These characteristics may be lower than You like but they seem high enough for the PLAAF and PLANAF since there are already several hundreds in service and since some years not a single operational J-11B and BS Flanker was powered by a Russian AL-31F anymore.

So simply shut up.

Deino

 

[Alpha Fighter]

@Alpha Fighter !

Stopp, immedaetly ! If You want to troll around and continue, then go and search for another forum or face the consequences.

This thread is on Su-35-sales to china and not again to bash Chinese engine reliability or anything else.
By the way get at least the facts correct: The WS-10A is a matured and reliable engine; PERIOD and regardless that Western engines have a higher service live of TBO.
These characteristics may be lower than You like but they seem high enough for the PLAAF and PLANAF since there are already several hundreds in service and since some years not a single operational J-11B and BS Flanker was powered by a Russian AL-31F anymore.

So simply shut up.

Deino

@Deino, I simple said Su-35 sales because of engines and Russian said not to sale of engines alone and forced china to buy planes and supported link with.


If you and your Chinese friends have any other way link to prove it wrong then show or better keep quite then.

Do you have problem on troll, then first point out to the Chinese who Started engine bla bla statement for its own engine, instead of pointing out on me.

 

[Mugwop]

@Alpha Fighter !

Stopp, immedaetly ! If You want to troll around and continue, then go and search for another forum or face the consequences.

This thread is on Su-35-sales to china and not again to bash Chinese engine reliability or anything else.
By the way get at least the facts correct: The WS-10A is a matured and reliable engine; PERIOD and regardless that Western engines have a higher service live of TBO.
These characteristics may be lower than You like but they seem high enough for the PLAAF and PLANAF since there are already several hundreds in service and since some years not a single operational J-11B and BS Flanker was powered by a Russian AL-31F anymore.

So simply shut up.

Deino

Those who are trying to bash chinese engine reliability should check out the flight hours by PLAAF and PLANAF before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Beast]

@Deino, I simple said Su-35 sales because of engines and Russian said not to sale of engines alone and forced china to buy planes and supported link with.


If you and your Chinese friends have any other way link to prove it wrong then show or better keep quite then.

Do you have problem on troll, then first point out to the Chinese who Started engine bla bla statement for its own engine, instead of pointing out on me.

That is not what you say, you say PLAAF still needs to import Russian engine and J-11B series can't survive with Russia import. But I have prove you wrong and you are in constant denied without any concrete backing.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Those who are trying to bash chinese engine reliability should check out the flight hours by PLAAF and PLANAF before jumping to conclusions.

who are bashing just asked the figures of engines which might not come.

 

[Deino]

@Deino, I simple said Su-35 sales because of engines and Russian said not to sale of engines alone and forced china to buy planes and supported link with.


If you and your Chinese friends have any other way link to prove it wrong then show or better keep quite then.

Do you have problem on troll, then first point out to the Chinese who Started engine bla bla statement for its own engine, instead of pointing out on me.

It's simply a matter of facts: You may be correct that the true background behind that sale is to get hands on the 117S engine, but surely not since the WS-10A is unreliable, underpowered or has a weak TBO - and that's what You claimed - but more related to TVC and the higher thrust to be used for the J-20 ... maybe.

By the way it's funny that You call out on "me and my Chinese friends", since esp. with a few here I'm repeatedly discussing that the WS-10 is not that widely used like they assume (J-20 for example) ... but here they are surely correct.

Deino

 

[ChineseLuver]

A link to a blog? Lol. Perm ban is imminent for just disrespecting the rules and a well respected moderator of several forums.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

That is not what you say, you say PLAAF still needs to import Russian engine and J-11B series can't survive with Russia import. But I have prove you wrong and you are in constant denied without any concrete backing.

I didn't say that , u need gud engines for planes which can give you gud depth and reliability that's why asked Russian engines and Russian forced u to buy buying SU35. So why you buying SU35, if u have engines and 5th gen planes.?

It's simply a matter of facts: You may be correct that the true background behind that sale is to get hands on the 117S engine, but surely not since the WS-10A is unreliable, underpowered or has a weak TBO - and that's what You claimed - but more related to TVC and the higher thrust to be used for the J-20 ... maybe.

By the way it's funny that You call out on "me and my Chinese friends", since esp. with a few here I'm repeatedly discussing that the WS-10 is not that widely used like they assume (J-20 for example) ... but here they are surely correct.

Deino

yes , so reliability of engine is doubt that why Chinese want 117S engines , isn't ? if they have engine technology they can build engines and tweak engine.

once you master engine technology u can build engines easily. So Plane buying is for engines only.

A link to a blog? Lol. Perm ban is imminent for just disrespecting the rules and a well respected moderator of several forums.

well wanna see news link?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-engines-idUSKCN0V7083
http://thediplomat.com/2016/09/china-to-receive-4-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-in-2016/

But everyone saying one thing " Su-35 forced by Russia to China for 117 engines." .

 

[Deino]

You simply don't get it !??? Don't You ?

Aiming indeed for the 117S might be correct but not - and again, that's what You claimed - due to poor reliability issues of the WS-10. I'm sure also the USA and Europe would be interested in that engine ... so do they have unrealible engines too ??

Stay at least to Your own statements.

 

[Beast]

I didn't say that , u need gud engines for planes which can give you gud depth and reliability that's why asked Russian engines and Russian forced u to buy buying SU35. So why you buying SU35, if u have engines and 5th gen planes.?


yes , so reliability of engine is doubt that why Chinese want 117S engines , isn't ? if they have engine technology they can build engines and tweak engine.

once you master engine technology u can build engines easily. So Plane buying is for engines only.


well wanna see news link?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-engines-idUSKCN0V7083
http://thediplomat.com/2016/09/china-to-receive-4-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-in-2016/

But everyone saying one thing " Su-35 forced by Russia to China for 117 engines." .

Its for PAF, not for PLAAF. There is no clause in the 24 SU-35 sales claiming additional 117S engine will be bought. You mean we bought 24 Su-35 and take out all engine and just let the engine less Su-35 airframe rot there?

 

[Alpha Fighter]

You simply don't get it !??? Don't You ?

Aiming indeed for the 117S might be correct but not - and again, that's what You claimed - due to poor reliability issues of the WS-10. I'm sure also the USA and Europe would be interested in that engine ... so do they have unrealible engines too ??

Stay at least to Your own statements.

Well, if u please read the link of the articles I provided u will understand the whole thing. PR exercise is one thing and real life reality is another.

We will see when WS-10 make out of china , may be in 10-15 yrs later.

Its for PAF, not for PLAAF. There is no clause in the 24 SU-35 sales claiming additional 117S engine will be bought. You mean we bought 24 Su-35 and take out all engine and just let the engine less Su-35 airframe rot there?

Oh man u have problem in understand things, read the link you will understand why Chinese need 117 engines desperately and how Russia sold whole plane and then came up with better question and logics.

https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/tag/117s-engine/

 

[Deino]

Well, if u please read the link of the articles I provided u will understand the whole thing. PR exercise is one thing and real life reality is another.

We will see when WS-10 make out of china , may be in 10-15 yrs later.

Again that's not the point and by the way this link You gave is more or less an exact copy - at least content-wise - to the original link posted at Sputnik ... so what will You expect?

Point is that China bought some Su-35 from Russia, maybe to strengthen the industrial or military ties, the technical cooperation and maybe simply since they are so much greedy on the 117S. Anyway.
But Your claim that the WS-10 are only for show, that they are unreliable prototypes is simply not correct ... and if China would like to sell the WS-10 is another completely irrelevant issue.

So either admit at least what You wrote by Your own and stick to the facts ... and stay on topic.

Otherwise face the consequences.

Deino