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[Beast]

If Mao is still alive, China might be economically slightly smaller than now, but its military would have already surpassed the US.

I still prefer Deng but Deng has his own flaw and imperfect too.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I still prefer Deng but Deng has his own flaw and imperfect too.

Deng needs to be as patriotic and tough as Mao.

However, no one in this world is perfect.

 

[Beast]

Deng needs to be as patriotic and tough as Mao.

However, no one in this world is perfect.

Deng is a more practical person. One good personality of him is he is not that stubborn.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Deng is a more practical person. One good personality of him is he is not that stubborn.

Just because he is too pragmatic, that's why he probably won't chew on the hard bone like Mao.

Mao could do everything to acquire the H-bomb despite China wasn't ready to make a such huge leap during that time.

If it was Deng, then he would probably give up due the external/internal pressure.

Because of Mao's stubbornness, China has acquired the H-bomb/satellite/ICBM/nuclear sub very early.

Because of Deng's pragmatism, China has become the second largest (de facto the largest) economy today.

That's why CPC always strictly emphasizes to not deny Mao because of Deng or to not deny Deng because of Mao.

 

[egodoc222]

Prepare ur money to buy Su-35 from Russia, Indian. When IAF face PLAAF 1,000x 4gen - 5gen fighters in next 5-6 years, don't wet ur pant. Right now China just lack 300+ fighters to reach the quantity, not too long we can finish it.

Still you didn't answer my question...why buy? When you claim your aerospace industry is better than Russia's....why buy a 4++ gen fighter when you have j30 and apparently capable aerospace industry...why?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Maoism vs Dengism, you will see the difference.

Mao created the project for Y-10, while Deng destroyed it.

Shanghai Y-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Y-10 wasn't scrapped by Deng and his liberal think tanks, then China would already build something similar to the Boeing 747 by now.

Deng is who created modern CHina, or else in Mao's China, everyone would be just struggling finding food.

If Mao is still alive, China might be economically slightly smaller than now, but its military would have already surpassed the US.

That is not technically possible, because Technology and scientific advances are made with economic progress, and a nation's industrial capacity.

Deng needs to be as patriotic and tough as Mao.

However, no one in this world is perfect.

Deng was more patriotic than Mao.

It was Mao, who for his own ego, and legacy, started the cultural revolution, and led the nation to the brink of collapse.

 

[lonelyman]

Still you didn't answer my question...why buy? When you claim your aerospace industry is better than Russia's....why buy a 4++ gen fighter when you have j30 and apparently capable aerospace industry...why?

So what, China needs 3000+ 4 generation fighters, right now we only have 800+. Plus this money is peanuts to China, sort of support our ally Russia to pummel ISIS.

And we get benefits from 117s engine too, it's a win win for everybody.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Apart from being very alarming in an Indian and American point of view. Where are those cheerleaders who said this deal don't exist and China won't buy 4++ generation fighter anymore? Looks like this number could go way beyond 24 and could reach a century or so.

What it really mean for people of China?

1) Insecurity of current Chinese made aircraft is given

2) Chinese leaders themselves don't think China is in position to go for war with current capabilities. Think about it. What if Vietnam gets Su35 or what will be the reaction in China establishment when India signs deals for PakFa and lay down the ground work for FGFA. This deal as put China atleast 15 years backwards.

3) Chinese claims of having in-house capacity to produce world class weapons is seriously scrutinized. Check below listing :

China's best engine : imported from Russia. Works for indegineous engine (Literally a Ripoff) going on for more than 30 years.

China's best war ship? Designed and built in China by Russians

China's best cruise missiles. An Soviet Union Ripoff

China's missile force : Soviet and current Russians technology and with more Ripoff.

China's best Attack helicopters : Secretly signed deal with Russia to design and build in China. Even India is in the verge to cracking world's most powerful Light attack choppers.

List Is soo on. If this goes through, it will hurt the morale of Chinese armed forces and more over people on China. As we all know Chinese armed procurements are largely indulged in corrupt practices. Just pay a lump they will buy your weapon in large numbers and officials push for export for more kickbacks.

Am I wrong in looking at this deal in this manner? As I already said. It's gonna be a huge blow to our power-packed buildup against China at borders and at SCS. Now US airforce can't claim that in just a week 2 fleet of USAF can wipe 50% Chinese Aircrafts at will. As Russians built these tech while keeping American massive numbers and avionics superiority.

Now my fingers crossed for PakFa and much rumoured Su35S and super Sukois upgrades goes through before end of this year.

 

[$@rJen]

@Zarvan What's up.. are you still going to tell people to grow up???

 

[Akasa]

The country that claims that it has two fifth gen fighter programs running and ready for mass production...buys 4++ gen fighter??
Lol
It speaks volumes about the technological gap between two countries!!

What makes you think this deal, if true, is due to a lack of capability?

 

[kurutoga]

Even you dislike Mao, but you have to agree when it comes to support the domestic products, no one is more patriotic than Mao.

Support domestic products or getting China into sanctions.

India signs deals for PakFa and lay down the ground work for FGFA.

Do you honestly believe India is getting PakFa? Yes, they paid the money. But, everything else is in the status of emperor's new clothes.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Several things do not make sense.

Why develop the J-11D first and then buy the Su-35 later?

Why upgrade the Su-30MK2 to a PL-12 standard if Russian radar/avionics and weapons are so good? I'm sure Russia would love to sell more R-77s.

The J-20 does not require the 117S. These mysterious black engines were unveiled a week before Xi Jinping visited Washington in September this year, obviously as a form of muscle flexing in front of Obama. They are clearly not AL-31FN.

AL-31FN looks like this. I'm sure we've all seen enough J-10 pictures to know what the AL-31FN looks like by now.

The only explanation that would make sense is that China wants to buy 24 Su-35s to form an aggressor squadron. What's the point of buying a foreign fighter that can't even datalink with Chinese AEW&C aircraft?

 

[Akasa]

1) Insecurity of current Chinese made aircraft is given

The low numbers supposedly procured (24), as well as the development/production of aircraft such as the J-15, J-16, J-10C, and soon J-20 and J-11D, suggest otherwise.

2) Chinese leaders themselves don't think China is in position to go for war with current capabilities. Think about it. What if Vietnam gets Su35 or what will be the reaction in China establishment when India signs deals for PakFa and lay down the ground work for FGFA. This deal as put China atleast 15 years backwards.

What makes you think that? Procuring a platform (if this deal is true) isn't always to make up for a lack in capability. In fact, the similarities between the Su-35 and J-11D/J-16 suggests that this deal isn't about capabilities at all.

3) Chinese claims of having in-house capacity to produce world class weapons is seriously scrutinized. Check below listing :

China's best engine : imported from Russia. Works for indegineous engine (Literally a Ripoff) going on for more than 30 years.

False. The WS-10 bears no relation to any Russian engine and has been in service aboard the J-10B/C prototypes, J-11B, J-16, and J-15 prototypes. Over 500 have been produced.

China's best war ship? Designed and built in China by Russians

So, it just so happens that a "Russian-designed" warship in China manage to feature capabilities and subsystems far more advanced anything Russia has herself? Come on, you are better than that.

China's best cruise missiles. An Soviet Union Ripoff

There is no evidence to suggest that.

China's missile force : Soviet and current Russians technology and with more Ripoff.

And yet somehow these missiles frequently manage to outperform their "original" counterparts.

China's best Attack helicopters : Secretly signed deal with Russia to design and build in China. Even India is in the verge to cracking world's most powerful Light attack choppers.

False. Kamov provided consultation during the concept stage, which is very different from the blueprinting stage that was undertaken by the Chinese. This is not to mention that the subsystems aboard the helicopters are Chinese.

Now US airforce can't claim that in just a week 2 fleet of USAF can wipe 50% Chinese Aircrafts at will.

Who said they could do so in the first place?

Still you didn't answer my question...why buy? When you claim your aerospace industry is better than Russia's....why buy a 4++ gen fighter when you have j30 and apparently capable aerospace industry...why?

There are multiple potential rationales:
- Politics: it wouldn't hurt the Chinese to give Russians the needed capital in exchange for a set of capable (albeit redundant) fighters
- Engines: the 117S engine is still something the Chinese seem to be very interested in
- Energy deals: it is not unrealistic to think that Moscow hasn't thought of making gas/energy deals contingent upon a Su-35 purchase
- Aggressor training: the reasoning here would be similar to that of the USAF purchasing Kfirs and J-7s

Of course, the deal is still unconfirmed at this point.

 

[xunzi]

I'm concerned about our development for the first time. I'm not going to lie. There are two schools of thought. If this deal intent for us to fill the gap in airpower, then this deal is like a bow cross my heart. It is a fucking disgrace and whoever responsible for the J-11 should look in the mirror. If this deal intent for dissecting Russian latest tech, then it worth's every penny. I am always said no matter how much we progress, we MUST always seek to learn from others. It is going through learning and understand of other tech system can we dream of ever creating a Monster Beast of a Machine. I am hoping this deal intent for the latter, then there is no price to learn.

 

[Dungeness]

Still you didn't answer my question...why buy? When you claim your aerospace industry is better than Russia's....why buy a 4++ gen fighter when you have j30 and apparently capable aerospace industry...why?

Just like the self claimed IT Superpower needs to import millions of smartphones from China, everybody needs something from others. Besides, nobody claims that China's aerospace industries better than Russia's.