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[cnleio]

China Su-35 will equip latest domestic PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, it's China customer version from Russia not the original Su-35sk ... Russian opened fire-control/radar code & API, Chinese will install domestic sub-systems on PLAAF Su-35 fighters. According to the deal, extra 117S jet engines will export to China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So we bought 48 engines for 2bln..congrats!

Think about the WS-15, then think how good the 117S is in comparison.

Why ??? The D is still in development and as such I think we all should calm down and first of all wait for confirmation even if I agree, that this time it seems much more reliable than all previous reports.

As such all our personnel feelings - be that "Russian-fan-boy like: hey You get out best fighter, so Your J-11s must be worse !! - or PLAAF-na-boy like: they are stupid, the PLAAF has the J-11D, so all is wrong - should be out aside.

If the PLAAF will get the Su-35, so take it what it is: A win_win-situatioin for both !!

The PLAAF will get a new fighter, that brings new capabilities, an inseight into the nearyl latest Russian avionics and propulsion systems, the opportunity to explore TVC for the first time ans as such to develop tactics to use or avoid them ... and maybe also access to the 117S engine to power the the J-20. Weren't there reports abaout a mayor engine -surprise on '2017' ???

And Russia receives finally an export customer for its Su-35, much public attention and by the way .. that all for only 2 billion $ !

Nope, the current engine for the J-20 is more powerful than the 117S.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

Why ??? The D is still in development and as such I think we all should calm down and first of all wait for confirmation even if I agree, that this time it seems much more reliable than all previous reports.

As such all our personnel feelings - be that "Russian-fan-boy like: hey You get out best fighter, so Your J-11s must be worse !! - or PLAAF-na-boy like: they are stupid, the PLAAF has the J-11D, so all is wrong - should be out aside.

If the PLAAF will get the Su-35, so take it what it is: A win_win-situatioin for both !!

The PLAAF will get a new fighter, that brings new capabilities, an inseight into the nearyl latest Russian avionics and propulsion systems, the opportunity to explore TVC for the first time ans as such to develop tactics to use or avoid them ... and maybe also access to the 117S engine to power the the J-20. Weren't there reports abaout a mayor engine -surprise on '2017' ???

And Russia receives finally an export customer for its Su-35, much public attention and by the way .. that all for only 2 billion $ !

So, China spending $2 bn of taxpayers money for getting insight in SU-35?

 

[cnleio]

The country that claims that it has two fifth gen fighter programs running and ready for mass production...buys 4++ gen fighter??
Lol
It speaks volumes about the technological gap between two countries!!

Prepare ur money to buy Su-35 from Russia, Indian. When IAF face PLAAF 1,000x 4gen - 5gen fighters in next 5-6 years, don't wet ur pant. Right now China just lack 300+ fighters to reach the quantity, not too long we can finish it.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

The country that claims that it has two fifth gen fighter programs running and ready for mass production...buys 4++ gen fighter??
Lol
It speaks volumes about the technological gap between two countries!!

This is hilarious case , isnt it?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Well questions would be raised on Chinese claim about J-11D

Pakistan should also consider 36 Su-35 for the maritime role. The J-11D can also perform that role.

 

[Beast]

I highly doubt the deal is signed. No official comfirmation yet.

China Su-35 will equip latest domestic PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, it's China customer version from Russia not the original Su-35sk ... Russian opened fire-control/radar code & API, Chinese will install domestic sub-systems on PLAAF Su-35 fighters. According to the deal, extra 117S jet engines will export to China.
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Very unlikely Russian will open their PESA and system source code to customise according to Chinese missile.
Until official statement present. I dont think China will buy Su-35.

The new has been confirmed by ex test pilot Xu Yonglin on weibo.

What has they signed? If so Rosoboronexport will report any export or confirmation of military deal for Russian. Nothing so far.

 

[cnleio]

I highly doubt the deal is signed. No official comfirmation yet.
Very unlikely Russian will open their PESA and system source code to customise according to Chinese missile.
Until official statement present. I dont think China will buy Su-35.

Not a groundless rumor, 90% the deal signed ... next day waiting for China official news.

Here is how many PLAAF J-7 fighters (China mig21) need to replace by Su-35/J-10BC/J-11D/J-15/J-16/J-20/J-31 in next 5-6 years for PLAAF ... so the Su-35 China customer version not bad. @egodoc222

 

[Jlaw]

Only 24? Chinese are really frugal people, with their defense budget, they should have bought hundreds, and make it "Mother Of All Deals".

If this deal is real, which is probably not unless I hear it from official Chinese source. The 24 fighters is for symbolic reason.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Think about the WS-15, then think how good the 117S is in comparison.

I just can‘t think of a reason other than engines，at least not one worth 2 bln.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I just can‘t think of a reason other than engines，at least not one worth 2 bln.

More of a political reason.

Russia's economy was hurt after the sanctions, they need a push for their manufacturing goods.

Seriously, the 117S got nothing to do with the J-20.

The J-20 needs the 5th gen engine that at least matches the performance of the F119, and no one could help us on this.

Even Russia is also developing its own 5th gen engine, but they won't sell us their latest technology.

The only thing that is relevant for the J-20 is the WS-15, and nothing else.

 

[Jlaw]

More of a political reason.

Russia's economy was hurt after the sanctions, they need a push for their manufacturing goods.

Seriously, the 117S got nothing to do with the J-20.

The J-20 needs the 5th gen engine that at least matches the performance of the F119, and no one could help us on this.

Even Russia is also developing its own 5th gen engine, but they won't sell us their latest technology.

The only thing that is relevant for the J-20 is the WS-15, and nothing else.

If China wanted to fill the gap or get the Russian engines, would they not order at least 150 fighters? The 24 fighters like you said is political and symbolic.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Pakistan should also consider 36 Su-35 for the maritime role. The J-11D can also perform that role.

The J-11D and Su-35 will fight in the PLA's wartime simulation; the J-11D will play the red, and the Su-35 will play the blue.

If China wanted to fill the gap or get the Russian engines, would they not order at least 150 fighters? The 24 fighters like you said is political and symbolic.

The new variant of the WS-10 engine is already close to 145kN in its afterburner.

But the China bashers would desperately need this news to bash the J-20 and China's domestic turbofan engine.

 

[Jlaw]

The J-11D and Su-35 will fight in the PLA's wartime simulation; the J-11D will play the red, and the Su-35 will play the blue.



The new variant of the WS-10 engine is already close to 145kN in its afterburner.

But the China bashers would desperately need this news to bash the J-20 and China's domestic turbofan engine.

I don't mind the bashers as they are mainly Indians. It's like homeless people making fun of millionaires

 

[Blue Marlin]

Russia Confirms Sale of 24 Su-35 Fighter Aircraft To China
Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Thursday, November 19, 2015 @ 08:51 AM
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Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jet: Image by Sukhoi Corp

Russia has signed a contract with China to sell 24 Sukhoi 35 multi role fighter aircraft worth US$ 2 billion.

Russia’s state technologies corporation, Rostec head Sergey Chemezov announced that Russia and China have signed a contract, estimated to be worth $2 billion, on the delivery of 24 Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets.

"The long negotiations on the delivery of Su-35 to China are over, we have signed a contract," Chemezov said as quoted by the Russian Kommersant daily on Thursday.

The Su-35 fighter jet (NATO reporting name Flanker-E) is an upgraded version of the Su-27 multirole fighter. This marks the first international sale of the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter which has taken part in the war against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq

Chemezov did not disclose terms of the contract or the delivery timeframe.

Moscow has been negotiating with Beijing for over two years to sell the aircraft, ever since the Paris Air Show 2013 debut of the Su-35.

There were issues of protecting intellectual property with China having a history of ‘copying’ Russian aircraft it had earlier purchased from Moscow. This seems to have been resolved as earlier reports on the proposed Su-35 purchase deal had highlighted the intellectual property issue as the main impediment.
Russia Confirms Sale of 24 Su-35 Fighter Aircraft To China