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[A.Rafay]

is this the first time that China is buying weapons from russia, our pakistani member?

No, its not the first time, china is a old customer of russian weapons.

 

[shuttler]

No, its not the first time, china is a old customer of russian weapons.

China is an old customer of Russian weapons - correct absolutely

I think the issues of property rights will be taken care of between us! Thanks for your concern

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You think China is buying to copy this aircraft? didnt Russia warned china not to copy?

With J-20 and J-31, I can confidently said China will do better than just copy and paste, we can absorb new technologies and make it better. If China is interested on Su-35....mean there is something that is valuable otherwise why bother spending billions dollars...only time will tell the true story.

 

[That Guy]

China is an old customer of Russian weapons - correct absolutely

I think the issues of property rights will be taken care of between us! Thanks for your concern

lol, don't take this the wrong way, but it almost sounded like you were personally involved in this.

On a serious note, this is a DISCUSSION forum for everyone. If he wants to bring up the IP issues between China and Russia, as long as it relates to the thread, he's allowed to do just that.

With J-20 and J-31, I can confidently said China will do better than just copy and paste, we can absorb new technologies and make it better. If China is interested on Su-35....mean there is something that is valuable otherwise why bother spending billions dollars...only time will tell the true story.

It's the engines.

while no one expects China to copy Russia tech this time around, they'll probably take the engines apart and see implement what they learn in their own domestic engines. China's domestic engine dev is too far along for China to start trying to clone Russian engines now. They're only using it as a learning tool, kind of like cutting open a frog during a biology class.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It's the engines.

while no one expects China to copy Russia tech this time around, they'll probably take the engines apart and see implement what they learn in their own domestic engines. China's domestic engine dev is too far along for China to start trying to clone Russian engines now. They're only using it as a learning tool, kind of like cutting open a frog during a biology class.

The 117S engine has nothing to do with either J-20 and J-31, next time don't throw any groundless statement here.

Without the official purchase confirmation from China's ministry of national defence, this news means nothing.

 

[That Guy]

The 117S engine has nothing to do with either J-20 and J-31, next time don't throw any groundless statement here.

Without the official purchase confirmation from China's ministry of national defence, this news means nothing.

I never mentioned the J-20, nor did I mention the J-31. I think it's you that should not be throwing around groundless statements, because I sure ain't.

I'm not really saying that they're actually buying the damn planes, I'm simply speculating why China would be interested in the Su-35. I'm not the only one who thinks this way, this thought is pretty wide spread. All you need to do is a simple google search to see what I mean.

It's no secret that China is having problems with it's engine development, especially quality control. The 117 engines would help save China's R&D departments a lot of time and money in the long run.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I never mentioned the J-20, nor did I mention the J-31. I think it's you that should not be throwing around groundless statements, because I sure ain't.

I'm not really saying that they're actually buying the damn planes, I'm simply speculating why China would be interested in the Su-35. I'm not the only one who thinks this way, this thought is pretty wide spread. All you need to do is a simple google search to see what I mean.

It's no secret that China is having problems with it's engine development, especially quality control. The 117 engines would help save China's R&D departments a lot of time and money in the long run.

The twin 117S engines will be too large to fit into our J-31, which is now waiting for the twin medium thrust WS-13A engines.

Furthermore, the 117S engine derived from the AL-31F engine, it has not bloodline connection with our WS-10 engine, it is useless for us to reverse engineering these engines over again.

Our WS-10 engine is on the way of maturization, and the WS-15 engine is up to test, i don't think we need to copy any Russian engine, we do need the Russian engine serves as a back up when some of our engines are ready for mass production.

 

[shuttler]

lol, don't take this the wrong way, but it almost sounded like you were personally involved in this.

On a serious note, this is a DISCUSSION forum for everyone. If he wants to bring up the IP issues between China and Russia, as long as it relates to the thread, he's allowed to do just that

Of course he has everything in his mind to say it but it sounds ridiculous, and so are you

You are saying as if a guy's walking into a bank and you tell the banker to inform the police for robbery

 

[Lone]

Its the engine chinese are after, nothing else.

 

[shuttler]

If someone can lay out the table of comparison between Su-35 and our fighter jets then we may know if the purpose of buying Su-35 fit into a particular vacuum of our airforce

If we are just buying 1 or 2 squadrons, how much do these engine adequately offer themselves as backup for our fighter jets?

 

[Fsjal]

The PLAAF probably bought these planes because Russia has no customers yet, and if China bought these planes, Sukhoi and the Russian government might get happy.

Anyway, the J-15 and J-16 already have capabilities matching to the Su-35.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Its the engine chinese are after, nothing else.

The finalized version of J-20 can't even be qualified as a 5th gen fighter if it is using the 117S engine, which is 100% impossible.

The PLAAF probably bought these planes because Russia has no customers yet, and if China bought these planes, Sukhoi and the Russian government might get happy.

Anyway, the J-15 and J-16 already have capabilities matching to the Su-35.

True, Russia is desperate to sell their Su-35 with any pre-condition.

They will die in happiness even we do buy and reverse engineering their Su-35, but now the problem is, would we truly buy their Su-35 and spend time to reverse engineering it?

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2013/5/20/1688/

 

[cnleio]

The Su-35 is a good 3.5-gen fighter, it's truth.
If China can buy some, it's NICE ! I wish the number is 48+1, one for research in China SAC. Specially do not forget Russia export other 98x 117S / AL-41 jet engines to China !

Before PLAAF pilots to fly J-20 / J-31 or any 4-gen fighters, they can get training by flying Su-35 fighters.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Su-35 is a good 3.5-gen fighter, it's truth.
If China can buy some, it's NICE ! I wish the number is 48+1, one for research in China SAC. Specially do not forget Russia export other 98x 117S / AL-41 jet engines to China !

Before PLAAF pilots to fly J-20 / J-31 or any 4-gen fighters, they can get training by flying Su-35 fighters.

Waste of money, there is no fcking way that we would buy it if it costs $100 million each.

 

[Roybot]

I would like to take this opportunity to bring up this Su-35 Charity Challenge thread.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/163901-su-35-charity-challenge-thread.html