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[Zabaniyah]

Russian experts claim that Chinese Chengdu J-10 fighter is a copy of Su-27 Flanker, Shenyang J-11 is a replica of Su-30 Flanker-C, and FC-1 is a copy of MiG-29 Fulcrum.

Really? Are those 'experts' really experts?

 

[帅的一匹]

PLAAF will buy 48 SU-35 super flanker at cost of 85millions per unit. When we get Su-35, India's MKI will be out of date. India buy Rafale and we buy SU-35 to respond. No one will believe Rafale could take on SU-35. When we get the technology of Su-35, we will apply it to our J11B for further improvement. Russian need money and we give them, that's easy. Most importantly,we can get Thrust vectoring Engine tech through this procurement.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

PLAAF will buy 48 SU-35 super flanker at cost of 85millions per unit. When we get Su-35, India's MKI will be out of date. India buy Rafale and we buy SU-35 to respond. No one will believe Rafale could take on SU-35. When we get the technology of Su-35, we will apply it to our J11B for further improvement. Russian need money and we give them, that's easy. Most importantly,we can get Thrust vectoring Engine tech through this procurement.

There are only minor part of improvement that we need from Su-35S, not engine nor radar.

J-11B already has AESA and TVC engine, moreover with more composite materials for partial stealth feature.

 

[ziaulislam]

such news from russians sources are always wrong..i am pretty sure that chinese wouldnt buy any jet from russians again..and so far it seems to be true..
regarding s-400, that is a possiblity but a distant one..
to be honest chinese have nearly catched up the russians in every field...

 

[DARKY]

And yet you did not post the source that said the Su-30MKI will use these engines.






Just because you haven't seen J-11B do these maneuvers doesn't mean it is not able to do so. Heck, we have not even seen the J-10 drop weapons yet, so you automatically assume that it can't? I posted photos of the J-11B engines. The thrust to weight ratio of an engine does not matter; an engine with thrust to weight ratio of 10 in a 16 ton aircraft will still provide less maneuverability than an engine with thrust to weight of 6 in a 7 ton aircraft. I looked everywhere and I did not read that the Su-30MKI was getting ASE.

You won't get the upgrades dished out in a source link.... It Includes a new engine, AESA, next gen. EW suit, Newer weapon package, new cockpit design and a lighter airframe.... You want source for ASE.... our defense minister said about this in Parliament.

J-11B is Incapable of performing such maneuvers as It doesn't have Canards and TVC on engins.

 

[DARKY]

T/W ratio of engins matters a lot when same class planes are considered you are acting like fool when you say airframe weight is more important..... Not only does it affects the accelaration properties but also helps in better performance and increase life along with better fuel burn rate.... Developers spend years reducing weight as low 50kg to acheive the desired performance... As for the engine photo posted by you why can't show it like that on J-11B photo.... Ask the Insider who gave you that photo may be that would help.

 

[j20blackdragon]

You don't need Su-35 or Rafale when you have this.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

T/W ratio of engins matters a lot when same class planes are considered you are acting like fool when you say airframe weight is more important..... Not only does it affects the accelaration properties but also helps in better performance and increase life along with better fuel burn rate.... Developers spend years reducing weight as low 50kg to acheive the desired performance... As for the engine photo posted by you why can't show it like that on J-11B photo.... Ask the Insider who gave you that photo may be that would help.

wrong. only total thrust-weight matters. do you have an engine firing in free space?

 

[Speeder 2]

...You want source for ASE.... our defense minister said about this in Parliament.

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So no 39% of NASA scientists are Indians, 33% of Docs in the US are indians, etc...? then of course, that's what your ministers have been capable of doing in Canadian parliament...

 

[DARKY]

wrong.

For China yes..... rest of the world no.

only total thrust-weight matters. do you have an engine firing in free space.

You didn't read what was written in the post you quoted...... and parroted the same rant again.... typical of your types.

 

[DARKY]

PLAAF will buy 48 SU-35 super flanker at cost of 85millions per unit. When we get Su-35, India's MKI will be out of date. India buy Rafale and we buy SU-35 to respond. No one will believe Rafale could take on SU-35. When we get the technology of Su-35, we will apply it to our J11B for further improvement. Russian need money and we give them, that's easy. Most importantly,we can get Thrust vectoring Engine tech through this procurement.

The upgraded Su30MKI costs 102-108 million USD.

 

[Speeder 2]

The upgraded Su30MKI costs 102-108 million USD.

You know what, I just want to take a photo of those Ruskies who are laughing to the bank, and tell them "congradulations, you've made it again! "

 

[HavocHeaven]

How about we have a bet on this SU-35 deal? Between Indian buddies in this thread and us Chinese. Something like $100 each person, pay via Paypal.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

How about we have a bet on this SU-35 deal? Between Indian buddies in this thread and us Chinese. Something like $100 each person, pay via Paypal.

Because Russia wants India to buy more of their fighters, so they just bring up China as a token to convince them to buy more.

And the credibility of the source is hardly reliable considering the quote like this.

Russia has its bottom line. Thus, the Chinese fighter J-10 is, in fact, a copy of Russian Su-27, J-11 – an analogue of the Su-30 and FC-1 copies from the MiG-29. “In this case all Russian planes are in the possession of Chinese engineers,” said a source from Russian government.

 

[Akasa]

You won't get the upgrades dished out in a source link.... It Includes a new engine, AESA, next gen. EW suit, Newer weapon package, new cockpit design and a lighter airframe.... You want source for ASE.... our defense minister said about this in Parliament.

J-11B is Incapable of performing such maneuvers as It doesn't have Canards and TVC on engins.

Then where did you get the details of the upgrades? Fantasy? Your defense minister mentioned AESA, not ASE. What makes you think the J-11B won't be able to perform those maneuvers? The J-11B has a much higher thrust to weight ratio than the Su-30MKI.