Children of the Indus

[Proudpakistaniguy]

That still doesnt change the fact that Punjabis form only 2% of Indians and Sindhis form only 0.3% (realistic estimate) of Indians. Please do count Mohajirs as well since they form only 6% of Pakistanis. It doesnt change anything. About Pashtuns, there are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than almost the entire population of Afghanistan (which includes not only Pashtuns but Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks etc.). Afghan Pashtuns are known to speak Dari as well and have many Afghan specific tribes such as Karzai, Ghilzai and Barakzai etc.

I am not denying that we totally seperate. You havent read my comment above, I guess. I agree that we have different ethnicities all settled on the Indus, part of its history and culture and therefore are one nation. There are way more Punjabis in Pakistan than India and way more Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan, so that shouldnt matter at all. Such similarities are only natural to be found in neighbouring countries. Infact, would be weird if we didnt have any similarities at all, since that is not how the world works. They are found between the French and Italian, Germans and English, Chinese and Japanese as well.

As for the differences, I stated that they are genealogically different, but you missed that again. The fact that we are ethnically (proved by the Harappa DNA Project, link given above by Kaptaan), linguistically (explained in detail by me in an earlier comment, refer to it), culturally (Punjabi/Pashtun/Sindhi/Baloch culture vs Bihari/Bengalee/Tamil/Marathi culture) and, which was the entire point of the article, historically (united for only 80 years under Buddhist Ashoka and later 500 or so under foreign Mughal/Turkic rule and 98 under British - different civilizations and kingdoms, already explained in excruciating detail in earlier, comments please read them) different than Indians still holds.

You see i dont know much about these genetics testing. I was simply using my common sense. How they are genealogically different when Rajputs/jats/gujjar and all these Punjabi/Sindhi/Muhair castes are same caste which exist in India as well and they openly claim their Hindu ancestry/forefathers who were converted into islam later on so you will never hear it from any janjua,bajwa, bhatti, gujjar, memon etc that they have any arab, Iranian, Turkish ancestry the way Pakistaniforever was portraying in here. Its quiet funny that Arabs and Persian laugh over such claim and similarities with them so we are just making fun of ourselves when we associate ourselves with them

 

[Winchester]

@PAKISTANFOREVER it would be better if you delete your first post which you made after misunderstanding the contents in the OP.....this is a very important thread

 

[Tergon18]

You see i dont know much about these genetics testing. I was simply using my common sense. How they are genealogically different when Rajputs/jats/gujjar and all these Punjabi/Sindhi/Muhair castes are same caste which exist in India as well and they openly claim their Hindu ancestry/forefathers who were converted into islam later on so you will never hear it from any janjua,bajwa, bhatti, gujjar, memon etc that they have any arab, Iranian, Turkish ancestry the way Pakistaniforever was portraying in here. Its quiet funny that Arabs and Persian laugh over such claim and similarities with them so we are just making fun of ourselves when we associate ourselves with them

No offense, but you seriously are starting to sound very idiotic right now. Half of those tribes you have mentioned are of Rajput origin half are Jatts. Jatts and Rajputs are different. Do you even know how Rajputs were actually formed? They were formed around the 1st century AD or so, when the Brahmins could basically elevate anyone to Rajput status and give them the label of Suryavanshi (Descendants of the Suns) or Agnikula (The Fire Born). A Brahmin could pick a man from Tamil Nadu and elevate him to Rajput status as well. Anyway, Janjuas are a Rajput clan that are native to Pakistan being found mostly in the Potohar Hills. The Jatts of Punjab are different than the Jaats of Haryana and Rajasthan. They have different 'gots' (subclans). Bajwas are a Jatt clan found mostly in the Sialkot region. The Jatts of Indian Punjab would form only 0.5% of Indians (since overall Punjabis form only 2% of Indians). Sindhi Hindu baradaries (clans) are different than Sindhi Muslim clans (Bhutto, Junejo, Abro etc.) and Sindhi Hindus were mostly urban traders while the Muslims were rural agricultralists/landowners and they hardly intermixed. Muhajirs do not have clans and most claim Syed ancestry (though likely only 5% of them are actually Iranic/Turkic). Indians Gurjars (Rajasthani or Haryanvi mostly) and Punjabi Gujjars are different. Theres also a nomadic shepherd group known as the Gujjars in Afghanistan and Central Asia. They too are different.

You seem to be having trouble with reading statistics despite the fact that I had made them bold however let me repeat them. Take a moment to try to process them through your head:
Punjabis form only 2% of Indians
Sindhis form hardly 0.3% of Indians
Muhajirs form only 6% of Pakistanis.
Hardly 8% of us are similar.

As for Hindu ancestry (which doesnt make sense either since Hindu isnt an ethnicity) the type of Hinduism (which really shouldnt be the word used since Hinduism was a 19th century word that the British invented referring to the different gods/practices of the Gangesians and Dravidians) that was practiced in the Indus Region was different to that of the Gangawalas and Dravidawalas (Indians). Ours was more monotheistic, and more influenced by monotheistic Buddhism due to the Gandhara Kingdom of the Indus, since the Rig Veda (which was formed entirely in the Indus at Punjab circa 1500 BC) was monotheistic and therefore most of us converted to Islam around the 12th-14th Century due to the various Sufi saints settled in these lands. We were already quite monotheistic and our 'faith' was different than present day Hinduism of the Gangalanders and Dravidalanders.

No one here is claiming Turkic/Iranian/Arab ancestry, are you honestly trolling right now? If you dont the history of the Indus (Pakistan) of how the Indo-Aryans settled here, the Indus Valley Civilization, the Rig Vedic Civilization, the Harappans, Kushans, Scythians, Achaemenids, Parthians, Indo-Greeks, Gandharans, Indus Shahis etc. then you should really educate yourself about history and about genealogy as well.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

No offense, but you seriously are starting to sound very idiotic right now

No offence, but I have same opinion about you. Insulting others will not prove you right . I know bajwa are jats and janjua, bhatti, minhas are rajput . When i said jats and rajputs are same? I just mention some of these castes in Punjab/Sindh which exist in boht india and Pakistan and share common ancestry .

The Janjua Rajputs claim to be the descendants of Maharaja Janamejaya, the king of Hastinapur in the Mahabharata in the Hindu mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_12th-century_conversion_of_Hindu_clans_to_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_Muslim

We se here how diverse is Pakistan

List Of Castes In Pakistan
Castes Name Of Baloch
1 Ahmedani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
2 Zardari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
3 Wadeyla Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
4 Umrani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
5 Toubzud Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
6 Tauqi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
7 Talpur Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
8 Soomrani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
9 Siddiqui Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
10 Sial Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
11 Shirani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
12 Sherzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
13 Shambhani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
14 Sethwi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
15 Sanjrani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
16 Sanjarzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
17 Sadozai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
18 Rind Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
19 Rahmanzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
20 Rahija Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
21 Qalat Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
22 Qaisrani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
23 Pitafi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
24 Nutkani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
25 Nothazai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
26 Nizamani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
27 Nausherwani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
28 Mazari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
29 Mastoi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
30 Marri Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
31 Magsi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
32 Lund Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
33 Loharani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
34 Leghari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
35 Lashari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
36 Lari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
37 Lanjwani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
38 Langhani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
39 Korai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
40 Khushk Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
41 Khosa Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
42 Khetran Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
43 Kheazai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
44 Khara Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
45 Khalol Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
46 Kenagzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
47 Kambarzahi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
48 Kalpar Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
49 Kalmati Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
50 Jiskani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
51 Jatoi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
52 Jat Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
53 Jarwar Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
54 Janwari Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
55 Jamali Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
56 Jalbani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
57 Jagirani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
58 Hooth Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
59 Hesbani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
60 Gurmani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
61 Gujjar Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
62 Gorshani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
63 Gorgage Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
64 Gopang Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
65 Gola Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
66 Gichki Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
67 Ghazini Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
68 Gashkori Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
69 Gajani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
70 Gadhi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
71 Gadai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
72 Gabol Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
73 Domki Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
74 Dasti Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
75 Darzada Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
76 Dareshak Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
77 Dannarzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
78 Damanis Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
79 Chutani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
80 Changwani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
81 Chandio Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
82 Chachar Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
83 Buzdar Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
84 Bulfati Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
85 Buledi Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
86 Bugti Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
87 Brahmani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
88 Bijarani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
89 Barr Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
90 Barija Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
91 Barazani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
92 Baloch Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
93 Bahawalanzai Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
94 Badini Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
95 Ashkani Balochi, Balochistan, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Brahui
1 Bangulzai Brahui Caste, Pakistan
2 Zehri Brahui Caste, Pakistan
3 Shahwani Brahui Caste, Pakistan
4 Sasooli Brahui Caste, Pakistan
5 Sarpara Brahui Caste, Pakistan
6 Rodini Brahui Caste, Pakistan
7 Raisani Brahui Caste, Pakistan
8 Qambrani Brahui Caste, Pakistan
9 Hasni Brahui Caste, Pakistan
10 Shahi Brahui Caste, Pakistan
11 Mirwani Brahui Caste, Pakistan
12 Mengal Brahui Caste, Pakistan
13 Lehri Brahui Caste, Pakistan
14 Lango Brahui Caste, Pakistan
15 Kurd Brahui Caste, Pakistan
16 Jhalawan Brahui Caste, Pakistan
17 Jattak Brahui Caste, Pakistan
18 Hasni Brahui Caste, Pakistan
19 Bizenjo Brahui Caste, Pakistan
20 Minhas Mengal Brahui Caste, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Kashmiri
1 Wains Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
2 Sheikh Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
3 Raja Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
4 Qureshi Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
5 Mir Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
6 Mian Rajput Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
7 Mian Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
8 Malik Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
9 Lone Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
10 Khawaja Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
11 Janjua – Rajput Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
12 Gjar Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
13 Dar Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
14 Butt Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
15 Baig Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
16 Minhas Kashmiri, Kashmir, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Pashtun
1 Afridi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
2 Yusaf Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
3 Yousafzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
4 Wur Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
5 Uthman Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
6 Umarzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
7 Umar Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
8 Turkhel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
9 Tokhi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
10 Tarkani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
11 Tareen Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
12 Tahirkheli Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
13 Swati Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
14 Suri Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
15 Sulemani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
16 Shirani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
17 Shilmani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
18 Sarbans Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
19 Salarzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
20 Sadozai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
21 Qazi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
22 Popalzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
23 Orakzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
24 Noorzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
25 Niazi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
26 Mullagori – Mulla Ghori Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
27 Mohmand Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
28 Mohamedzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
29 Mian Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
30 Mashwanis Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
31 Marwat Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
32 Manduri Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
33 Mamund Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
34 Malik Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
35 Mahsud Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
36 Mahmud Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
37 Maghdud Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
38 Lodhi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
39 Kundi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
40 Kuchis Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
41 Kuchelai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
42 Khulozai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
43 Khudiadadzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
44 Khattak Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
45 Kharoti Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
46 Khan Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
47 Khalil Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
48 Khakwani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
49 Kakazai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
50 Kakar Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
51 Kakakhel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
52 Jahangiri Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
53 Jadoon – Gadoon Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
54 Isa Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
55 Hafiz Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
56 Gujjar Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
57 Ghilzai Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
58 Gandapur Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
59 Edo-Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
60 Durrani Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
61 Davi Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
62 Daulat Khel Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
63 Chamkanni Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
64 Burki Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
65 Bangash Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
66 Babar Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
67 Atcha Pashtun, KPK, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Punjabi
1 Arain Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
2 Sheikh Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
3 Shanzay Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
4 Satti Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
5 Sahni Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
6 Sahi Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
7 Rathore Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
8 Ranjha Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
9 Rana Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
10 Ramay Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
11 Rajput Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
12 Qaimkhani Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
13 Passi Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
14 Paracha Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
15 Nanda Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
16 Naeem Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
17 Muslim Khatris Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
18 Mir Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
19 Minhas Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
20 Mian Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
21 Meo Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
22 Meghwar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
23 Maneka Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
24 Malik Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
25 Malanhaans Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
26 Makhdoom Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
27 Mahtam Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
28 Mahar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
29 Leel Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
30 Langah Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
31 Khokhar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
32 Khara Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
33 Kayani Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
34 Kassar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
35 Kasana Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
36 Kalyal Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
37 Kallu Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
38 Kahloon Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
39 Johiya Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
40 Jawanda Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
41 Jat Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
42 Jappa Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
43 Janjuarajput Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
44 Jandran Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
45 Jadun Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
46 Ibrahim Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
47 Gurmani Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
48 Gujjar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
49 Goraya Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
50 Gondal Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
51 Gill Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
52 Ghuman Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
53 Gakhar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
54 Dogar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
55 Dhillon Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
56 Dhariwal Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
57 Derawal Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
58 Chughtai Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
59 Cheema Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
60 Chechi Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
61 Chauhan Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
62 Chaudhry Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
63 Chatha Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
64 Chahal Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
65 Bhullar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
66 Bhinder – Jutt Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
67 Bhatti Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
68 Bhango Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
69 Bhamba Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
70 Bhalli Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
71 Bhabra Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
72 Basra Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
73 Bangial – Rajput Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
74 Bajwa Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
75 Bajar Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
76 Bahmani Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
77 Aujlajutt Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
78 Aujla- Jutt Punjabi, Punjab, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Sindhi
1 Galani Sindhi, Sindh, Pakistan
2 Lakhani Sindhi, Sindh, Pakistan
Castes Name Of Arab Ancestral
1 Abbasi Saudi Arabia
2 Zubairi Saudi Arabia
3 Wasti Saudi Arabia
4 Tirmizi Saudi Arabia
5 Syed Saudi Arabia
6 Siddiqui Saudi Arabia
7 Shaikh Saudi Arabia
8 Salehi Saudi Arabia
9 Sajjadi Saudi Arabia
10 Sadat Saudi Arabia
11 Sabzvari Saudi Arabia
12 Rizvi Saudi Arabia
13 Qureshi Saudi Arabia
14 Osmani Saudi Arabia
15 Naqvi Saudi Arabia
16 Mian Saudi Arabia
17 Masood Saudi Arabia
18 Makhdoom Saudi Arabia
19 Luna Saudi Arabia
20 Leel Saudi Arabia
21 Kirmani Saudi Arabia
22 Khawaja Saudi Arabia
23 Jafari Saudi Arabia
24 Idrisi Saudi Arabia
25 Hyderi Saudi Arabia
26 Hussaini Saudi Arabia
27 Hussain Saudi Arabia
28 Hassani Saudi Arabia
29 Hashmi Saudi Arabia
30 Farooqi Saudi Arabia
31 Awan Saudi Arabia
32 Arain Saudi Arabia
33 Ansari Saudi Arabia
34 Alvi Saudi Arabia
35 Akhoond Saudi Arabia
36 Abidi Saudi Arabia
Castes Name Of Iranian Ancestral
1 Ansari Iran
2 Zand Iran
3 Zain Iran
4 Yazdani Iran
5 Sistani Iran
6 Siddiqui Iran
7 Sabzvari Iran
8 Rizvi Iran
9 Reza Iran
10 Razavi Iran
11 Qizilbash Iran
12 Noorani Iran
13 Nishapuri Iran
14 Muker Iran
15 Montazeri Iran
16 Mirza Iran
17 Mir Iran
18 Kiani Iran
19 Khorasani Iran
20 Khawaja Iran
21 Khanum Iran
22 Kermani Iran
23 Kazemi Iran
24 Kashani Iran
25 Jamshidi Iran
26 Jalali Iran
27 Jafari Iran
28 Jadgal Iran
29 Isfahani Iran
30 Hamadani Iran
31 Ghazali Iran
32 Gardezi Iran
33 Gakhar Iran
34 Firdausi Iran
35 Fareedi Iran
36 Chishti Iran
Castes Name Of Turkic Ancestral
1 Agha Turkey
2 Pasha Turkey
3 Chagatai (Chughtai, Tatars,Tartars) Turkey
4 Barlas Turkey

 

[Tergon18]

No offence, but I have same opinion about you. Insulting others will not prove you right . I know bajwa are jats and janjua, bhatti, minhas are rajput . When i said jats and rajputs are same? I just mention some of these castes in Punjab/Sindh which exist in boht india and Pakistan and share common ancestry .

The Janjua Rajputs claim to be the descendants of Maharaja Janamejaya, the king of Hastinapur in the Mahabharata in the Hindu mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_12th-century_conversion_of_Hindu_clans_to_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_Muslim

Janjua Rajputs may claim that, however they arent found in India and are found exclusively in the Potohar Hills, Pakistan. And all Rajputs also claim descent either from the sun (Suryavanshi), moon (Chandravanshi) or fire ( Agnikula) however we all know that it isnt physically possible. As for the descent from the Maharaja of Hasitnapur, we have absolutely no historical evidence for that. Anyway, the Punjabis of Pakistan are genetically different to the Uttar Pradeshis (refer to the Harappa DNA Project). Funnily enough, you laugh at claims of Arab/Turkic/Iranian ancestry for Pakistanis but are willing to believe a claim of Uttar Pradeshi/Ganges ancestry without any proof of it. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Secondly, what exactly was the point of sending me those last two Wikipedia articles? Very few of our baradaries are similar but even then hardly 8% of us actually are! Why can you not understand this simple fact or percentages in general? What is wrong with you? Please read my above comment again and try to process it through your head.

Also no one is claiming Arabic, Turkic or Iranian ancestry. So there is no point in posting Pakistani, Arabic, Iranian and Turkic clans.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Janjua Rajputs may claim that, however they arent found in India and are found exclusively in the Potohar Hills, Pakistan. And all Rajputs also claim descent either from the sun (Suryavanshi), moon (Chandravanshi) or fire ( Agnikula) however we all know that it isnt physically possible. As for the descent from the Maharaja of Hasitnapur, we have absolutely no historical evidence for that. Anyway, the Punjabis of Pakistan are genetically different to the Uttar Pradeshis (refer to the Harappa DNA Project). Funnily enough, you laugh at claims of Arab/Turkic/Iranian ancestry for Pakistanis but are willing to believe a claim of Uttar Pradeshi/Ganges ancestry without any proof of it. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Secondly, what exactly was the point of sending me those last two Wikipedia articles? Very few of our baradaries are similar but even then hardly 8% of us actually are! Why can you not understand this simple fact or percentages in general? What is wrong with you? Please read my above comment again and try to process it through your head.

my arab Pakistani mate let agree to disagree. I have no stamina to repeat same thing againa nd again.. read my previous point where i said its not right to paint all ethnic groups of Pakistan with one brush as different groups claim different origin and ancestry

 

[Tergon18]

my arab Pakistani mate let agree to disagree. I have no stamina to repeat same thing againa nd again.

Are you honestly trolling? Do I need to capitalize this now? NO ONE IS CLAIMING ARAB/TURKIC/IRANIAN OR ANY OTHER ANCESTRY. Have you gotten that through your head or do I need to repeat it like 20 times over (I already have said it about 3 times).
And no one is claiming that the different ethnicities of Pakistan are all the same. You seem to lack basic comprehension skills as well. Please read my earlier comments over again, in the hope that you might just understand them.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Are you honestly trolling? Do I need to capitalize this now? NO ONE IS CLAIMING ARAB/TURKIC/IRANIAN OR ANY OTHER ANCESTRY. Have you gotten that through your head or do I need to repeat it like 20 times over (I already have said it about 3 times).
And no one is claiming that the different ethnicities of Pakistan are all the same. You seem to lack basic comprehension skills as well. Please read my earlier comments over again, in the hope that you might just understand them.

Ok Mr expert. I have shared my opinion. You are free to disagree but i am still stick to what i shared

 

[Tergon18]

Ok Mr expert. I have shared my opinion. You are free to disagree but i am still stick to what i shared

What 'opinion' have you shared exactly? Other then falsely accusing me of saying that I am claiming that Pakistanis are the descendants of Arabs/Turks/Iranians, which I clearly have not. Other then that I have told you about the different ethnicities and linguistics of Pakistanis as compared to Indians. Official statistics, genealogical studies, and historical knowledge (all easily verifiable if you want, they are only a Google search away) cannot be debated on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indian Punjabi Population : 44,000,000
Pakistani Punjabi population: 93,500,000

Pakistani Sindhi Population : 35,700,000
Indian Sindhi population: 3,810,000

Indian kashmiri population: 12,541,302
Pakistani kashmiri population: 2,580,000 and Gilgit-Baltistan is 870,347

I am not even counting those Urdu speaking muhajirs who migrated from india and still has some relatives in there.

Are Pakistani pashtun any different to afghan pashtuns when have same tribes exist in boht countries Pakistan and Afghanistan? You are confusing nationality with ethnic groups which are two different identity. I am saying that Pakistan and India both host different ethnic groups so differences vary from one ethnic group to others rather than one country to others. Different ethnicities of Pakistan got united under the banner of Islam to create this country we call Pakistan..


What are differences beside religion?

@PAKISTANFOREVER it would be better if you delete your first post which you made after misunderstanding the contents in the OP.....this is a very important thread

I tried. Option is gone.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

If My memory serves me right , Indus originates from Sindhu . Sindhu originates from Vedas

 

[Tergon18]

If My memory serves me right , Indus originates from Sindhu . Sindhu originates from Vedas

Don't know why you are getting excited here. It's from the Rig Veda of the Indo-Aryans which was formed exclusively in modern day Pakistan at the Indus in Punjab.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Don't know why you are getting excited here. It's from the Rig Veda of the Indo-Aryans which was formed exclusively in modern day Pakistan at the Indus in Punjab.

Ya ! I Know that . And the same text talks about other rivers but no one believes in them

 

[Tergon18]

Ya ! I Know that . And the same text talks about other rivers but no one believes in them

What are you trying to say? We know that the Indus exists because we can see it. Saraswati etc. is myth.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

because we can see it.

Indus runs through every region in Pakistan. Indus binds the north, centre and south pakistan. Indus waters almost half of Pakistan. Indus is there on every major west-east road. Yeh we can see it for sure.

Bridge over Indus, near Attock.