Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[randomradio]

I don't think so. In the same way that you don't see another US 5th-gen fighter replacing the F-16/18/ (besides the F-35), it would be redundant for the Chinese to develop another analogue of the FC-31.

FC-31? Please be serious. It's not a PLAAF project. At best SAC can only offer it to PLAAF.

I have seen a CAC proposal, a smaller fifth generation single engine fighter based around the WS-15. It will have engine commonality with the J-20, while enjoying lower costs per flying hour. The J-10 has thrived alongside the J-11/15/16 series for much the same reasons.

Yes. I want to see how this jet will be designed, a single engine aircraft. Particularly if it will be designed with VSTOL/VTOL in mind.

 

[Akasa]

FC-31? Please be serious. It's not a PLAAF project. At best SAC can only offer it to PLAAF.

Seems like you've answered your own question. If the PLAAF saw a need to replace the J-10 with something other than the J-20 (as you propose), they could readily purchase the FC-31.

 

[randomradio]

Seems like you've answered your own question. If the PLAAF saw a need to replace the J-10 with something other than the J-20 (as you propose), they could readily purchase the FC-31.

The FC-31 isn't a unique aircraft, it is simply a smaller and less capable J-20. It won't make sense to replace the J-10 with that. If such an aircraft was necessary, you can have a much cheaper single engine jet similar to what DCS recommended.

My view is to develop an aircraft that's smaller than the J-20, but superior in many ways. The FC-31 doesn't offer anything of the sort.

 

[Akasa]

The FC-31 isn't a unique aircraft, it is simply a smaller and less capable J-20. It won't make sense to replace the J-10 with that. If such an aircraft was necessary, you can have a much cheaper single engine jet similar to what DCS recommended.

My view is to develop an aircraft that's smaller than the J-20, but superior in many ways. The FC-31 doesn't offer anything of the sort.

Why are you adamant that the current J-20 doesn't suffice as a J-10 replacement? If it's a size issue, I've already explained the option of purchasing the FC-31.

 

[slng]

Yes. That's why...


This will give interesting ideas on how design has progressed over the last 10 years in China.

you contained yourself in US superiority master concept.
if US didnt intro or use it, nobody else would.

you think ALL invention can only conceptalize in that holy land?
is that how Indian progress all these while?

 

[randomradio]

you contained yourself in US superiority master concept.
if US didnt intro or use it, nobody else would.

you think ALL invention can only conceptalize in that holy land?
is that how Indian progress all these while?

Dunno what your post has to do with what I said.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we leave the FC-31 out of this discussion ?? ... and even more anything concerning India?

 

[Asoka]

Guys ... can we leave the FC-31 out of this discussion ?? ... and even more anything concerning India?

No more mention of the idiotic thing, FC-31, please. It hurts my brain every time some one praise it.

 

[Deino]

No more mention of the idiotic thing, FC-31, please. It hurts my brain every time some one praise it.

But that's another request: The FC-31 is NOT stupid and that it hurts Your brain is probably an issue You alone have to solve. So again, please be not that biased, since Your hate on that type is IMO completely unjustified.

But anyway it is wrong here in the J-20-thread.

Deino

 

[j20blackdragon]

http://www.fyjs.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1849692&extra=page=1&_dsign=0ccab1bf

This report has indicated China now has two pulse production lines for J-20.

In August 19, two Chinese J-20 pulse production lines commenced operation, The production line has five stations, each station will take 8-9 days to finish its share of works. From start to finish, it will take 45 days to finish a plane, making it's annual capacity of 36 planes per year, or 72 planes for both production lines.

"8月19日，中航工业成飞总装厂举行“飞机总装站位式生产启动仪式”，标志着成飞总体装配进入了一个新模式。"

"每一个站位的装配节点8到9天，用45天左右的时间完成一架军机的装配，达到交付状态。'

Once the factory start production in full speed, every 4-5 days, there will be a new J-20 rolling off the production lines. In contrast, the F-35 factory could produce one plane per day.

Three J-20 every month. Each production line 36 a year. Two lines. 72 a year. Three regiments a year.

http://www.fyjs.cn/thread-1849698-1-1.html

Can anyone debunk any of this?

 

[Deino]

I would be quite careful with such claims. If all reports are correct, then we have seen about a dozen J-20s this year and that's already a huge achievement. To triple this to a rate of 36 is close to the production rate of J-10s ... and this has been quite constant since years.

As such ... I would prefer to wait and see.

Deino

 

[Ahmer Rana]

Big development for China...china inducting j-20 stealth fighters into airforce as active service planes
Atleast six j-20 are in active service with four tail numbers 78271,78272,78273 and 78274 identified and another six are ready to be inducted.According to Chinese aviation expert Dafang Cal who posts under the Twitter handle@xinfengcao, six j20 fighters will be inducted into the Chinese airforce at a formal ceremony later this month.

 

[Ahmer Rana]

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/12/china-inducting-j20-stealth-fighters.html

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well Six is a start , congradulation from China however I think the plane needs 3-4 more years to properly mature and develop further (In term of marketing and outreach and impact)

 

[Asoka]

Here is another picture of WS-10, on a J-11BS, for people who like to believe J-20 is using a variant of WS-10.

Does it look like what you saw on any pictures of J-20?