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Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

Judging from purely its TWR and aerodynamic configuration, the J-20 with its current Al-31 engines could only achieve Rafale/Eurofighter-level of maneuverability. Things will be greatly improved upon the introduction of the WS-15, provided that the engine indeed produces 180 kN of wet thrust as proposed.
 
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Judging from purely its TWR and aerodynamic configuration, the J-20 with its current Al-31 engines could only achieve Rafale/Eurofighter-level of maneuverability. Things will be greatly improved upon the introduction of the WS-15, provided that the engine indeed produces 180 kN of wet thrust as proposed.
That's already really good ... the F-22 isn't much better than the Eurofighter in WVR. One can only imagine how the J-20 is gonna perform when it receives the WS-15 ...
 
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Pl-21-The Air to Air Missile of China's Fifth Generation Stealth Fighter & Attack Aircraft J-20...............!

Pl-21 is latest addition to the existing weaponry of J-20, This new Active radar guided missile that was initially rumored to be tested in March 2010 for the first time is expected to be similar to British Meteor advanced long range missile with an estimated range above 400KM and a speed over Mach 5.
The PL-21 features an active radar seeker and an integrated ramjet/solid rocket motor with a entral air inlet.
Similar to the Russian R-27/AA-10, the PL-21 features 4 small stabilzing fins behind the active radar seeker. Two-way datalink antennas may be installed in the tail section for mid-course correction.
Chinese Military Aviation reports that the first launch test took place in March 2010, with development projected to be completed by 2012.
 
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Pl-21-The Air to Air Missile of China's Fifth Generation Stealth Fighter & Attack Aircraft J-20...............!

Pl-21 is latest addition to the existing weaponry of J-20, This new Active radar guided missile that was initially rumored to be tested in March 2010 for the first time is expected to be similar to British Meteor advanced long range missile with an estimated range above 400KM and a speed over Mach 5.
The PL-21 features an active radar seeker and an integrated ramjet/solid rocket motor with a entral air inlet.
Similar to the Russian R-27/AA-10, the PL-21 features 4 small stabilzing fins behind the active radar seeker. Two-way datalink antennas may be installed in the tail section for mid-course correction.
Chinese Military Aviation reports that the first launch test took place in March 2010, with development projected to be completed by 2012.
I do not think your source is accurate .... where did you get this info from again? And we haven't seen a single PL-21 even though it was completed in 2012
 
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Indeed ... only a GC - albeit a nice one - and an old designation, when the PL-15 was still called PL-21 esp. since the ones in the main bay are clearly standard PL-12.
 
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Nice but already posted just the page before! :p:
 
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Well said. Some Chinese fanbois still claim that the J-20 can be used to hit high-value targets (AWEC, Tankers), strike ground targets, carry anti-ship missile and still be able to have outstanding maneuverability. Unfortunately, if one cannot even assess its proper role, their analysis of the J-20 is unlikely to be credible.

Highly unlikely given the size of the weaponsbay. However, hitting high-value targets isn't mutually exclusive with air-superiority.
 
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You misunderstand me Siege ... I'm saying that many fanboys say that the J-20 can perform all these roles ... such as a Strike fighter


Whether J-20 is good for the ground strike role, is actually irrelevant. I suspect it will be used to launch unguided rockets, dropping dumb bombs, against ground targets like vehicles, bunkers, and infantry positions, like the PLAAF have been using their air-superiority fighters J-10 and J-11.

The PLAAF has came a long way in terms of equipments, but not in terms of doctrines, they are still stuck in the 50-70's. Some of the senior PLAAF commanders have a serious case of mental retardation, that can be cured by retiring them, wholesale.



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Is the Stealth Technology, Game Over?

I have always suggested, that Stealth Technology, is not a safe place, to bet your Empire in. There are already several technologies, arrayed against it. And China is actively researching all of them, and has made important progress.

1.) "Passive Radar, which is a receive-only system that uses transmitters of opportunity. Integrating a system of netted receivers, passive radar can detect, track, and target piloted and unpiloted stealth systems and provide cuing for antiair weapons systems."

2.) "Quantum Radar, which is a remote-sensing method based on quantum entanglement. The most convincing model has been proposed by an international team of researchers.[1][2] This team designed a model of quantum radar for remote sensing of a low-reflectivity target that is embedded within a bright microwave background, with detection performance well beyond the capability of a classical microwave radar."

3.) Distributed and Networked AESAs, where there is one or more active transmitters, working together, with one or more passive receivers, deployed in a wide area, forming a network, thus, exponentially increase the detection power of the individual AESA elements.

Encrypted radar signals with transmitter's ID, time, and location, are bounced off the target and then picked by the passive receivers, and integrated into a whole aerial picture, by fast supercomputers.

Since the shape of the stealth plane, do not absorb all the radar signals, but merely deflected them away, from the transmitters, and concentrated in several directions, it is inherently powerless, to countered this type of distributed and networked AESAs.,

4.) "IRST, Infrared Search and Track System is a method for detecting and tracking objects which give off infrared radiation (see Infrared signature) such as jet aircraft and helicopters. It has forward-looking to all-round situation awareness. Such systems are passive (thermographic camera), meaning they do not give out any radiation of their own, unlike radar. This gives them the advantage that they are difficult to detect."

The Pilots of Euro Typhoons, equipped with IRST, claimed they could detect the F-22 from 90km away. Of course, the detection range of the IRST, depends on the target's speed, altitude, and the state of its engine's Afterburner. (ie. is it on, and in full blast mode?)

5.) And now, Chinese scientists have made major breakthrough in a 2-D semiconductor material for AESA radars that will increase the effective power output by whooping 1000 times, and sensitivity by 6000 times.

This material could increase the effective detection range of current AESA by 50 times, with the same size and same number of T/R elements.

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This means if F-22's Frontal RCS is 0.0001m2 (more likely between 0.1m2 and 0.5m2, IMO), it could be detected 576km away. This may be the end of the Stealth Technology as we know it. Note, you can not decrease the RCS, indefinitely, because it gets harder and harder, after a while.

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@Figaro, you can read the original paper, in English, here. It contains a great deal of Chemical terms. @Deino might be, in a better position, to understand it.

“Solution Synthesis of Semiconducting Two-Dimensional Polymer via Trimerization of Carbonitrile ” Journal of the American Chemical Society, 2017.

or read the Chinese explanations of the significance of this new materials, here.

http://www.cailiaoniu.com/93971.html

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-09-02/doc-ifykpysa2733961.shtml
 
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@Zhu Rong Zheng Yang !!

Calm down ! To tell the manufacturing quality of the J-20 better than the T50 is not "offensive and insulting for the most important PRC backbone ally" but a fact. As such leave all that strange historical issues and accusations against the US ... these are irrelevant, false and off topic. :offpost:

Deino

Guys, this is a J-20 thread. Let's change subject back to J-20, before the overworked Deino say something.


Already done ! ... by the way, what's Your conclusion on the latest engine discussion following cirr's post?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...j-20-thread-clean.514445/page-14#post-9825798
 
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