Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Asoka]

Even the F-22 is really not capable of taking on the J-20 in the large distances of the Western Pacific around China.
F-22 was designed to fight the Russians in central Europe where it's relatively short-range would not be a handicap.
Without tankers and AWACS support, it will be mercilessly hunted by J-20.

Short range is the unfixable shortcoming of F-22, without the support of oil tankers, there is no way it could make it from Guam to China and back. And if they are stationed in Okinawa, they are well within the range of hundreds of DF-16 missiles and cruise missiles. Even Guam is not safe from DF-26 which has a 3000km range.

There is no reason that China can't put its ballistic missiles onboard a large ship and thus increase their range greatly. All you need to is put those missile launchers onto the deck of a large ship. You don't need the trucks.

J20 is designed to hunt F22. Nothing surprise!

J-20 is designed to beat F-22 in every way. J-20's Range, Power, Subsonic and Supersonic Maneuverability, Modern Sensors, and AESA radar are all superior.

@Asok Why not? It's free.

Those hacking accusation are nonsense. US defense company's Intra networks are not linked to the public internet. US military networks are restricted. They can't be reached from China. As simple as that.

 

[帅的一匹]

J20 will be a nightmare for F35.

 

[艹艹艹]

Looks like "2011 or 2012" are still used for some kind of tests. flying with 4 drop tanks (可是为啥是2012号？ps:上传者是蒲城的，百度了陕西那边，估计在伊朗那边吧，应该是2011 2012交付的那批原型机还在试飞，视频应该是昨天刚拍摄的，上传者估计不懂把副油箱当成导弹了)
HD video here http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg4MDcwMDI0MA==.html

long-range bombers

 

[帅的一匹]

long-range bombers

战斗机中航程最接近轰炸机的，轰炸机中机动性最好的！世界上第一款跨界战斗机。

 

[cirr]

Looks like "2011 or 2012" are still used for some kind of tests. flying with 4 drop tanks (可是为啥是2012号？ps:上传者是蒲城的，百度了陕西那边，估计在伊朗那边吧，应该是2011 2012交付的那批原型机还在试飞，视频应该是昨天刚拍摄的，上传者估计不懂把副油箱当成导弹了)
HD video here http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg4MDcwMDI0MA==.html

4X2400L

 

[Asoka]

4X2400L

At 1177 L per Ton, that's an additional 8 Ton of fuels. 12 Ton internal fuel + 8 tons of external fuel = 20 tons. That's insane.

Those fuel tanks could be shape into having aerodynamic lifting force, helping out the main wings in flight.

They could also make into obscenely big, only half filled up during take off, and then fill them up completely in the air. This will lessen the maximum take off weight.

 

[艹艹艹]

At 1177 L per Ton, that's an additional 8 Ton of fuels. 12 Ton internal fuel + 8 tons of external fuel = 20 tons. That's insane.

Those fuel tanks could be shape into having aerodynamic lifting force, helping out the main wings in flight.

How far can it fly?

 

[Asoka]

How far can it fly?

A Su-30 with 10 ton of fuel has a range of 3000km. That's one ton per 300km. J-20 could carry a maximum of 20 ton (12 Ton, internally, and 8 ton, externally). That's like 5500-6000km for J-20.

J-20 is bigger and heavier than SU-30, but aerodynamically more efficient.

F-22 could carry 8 ton internally, plus, 3.6 Ton externally, for a total of 12.6 ton.

The F-15E, Strike Eagle, could carry a total of 15 ton, still short of J-20's insane 20 tons.

By comparison, here is F-22. It could carry four oil tanks.

And they are enormous.

 

[Asoka]

战斗机中航程最接近轰炸机的，轰炸机中机动性最好的！世界上第一款跨界战斗机。

Long range helps a lot when crossing the vast distance. In the future PLAAF will not just fight over the sky of China, but bring the fight to the enemy's bases in vast span of the pacific ocean.

 

[Deino]

Long range helps a lot when crossing the vast distance. In the future PLAAF will not just fight over the sky of China, but bring the fight to the enemy's bases in vast span of the pacific ocean.

I hope that China will not fight any time soon.

 

[Pepsi Cola]

I hope that China will not fight any time soon.

I hope so too. It's cool to see all the new military advancements and capabilities, but the thought of a war is simply unpleasant to anyone.

 

[艹艹艹]

I hope that China will not fight any time soon.

We love peace
but....................you konow..........

 

[Asoka]

J20 will be a nightmare for F35.

And a headache for F-22. F-22 will have no game, if it can't defend the AWACs and Oil Tankers from J-20.

 

[Deino]

And a headache for F-22. F-22 will have no game, if it can't defend the AWACs and Oil Tankers from J-20.

Can we stick to reality ???

You are only picking up individual parts: Size, fuel, missile .... but we know next to nothing how far the avionics are integrated, how much there's an interoperational information sharing possible between different assets and even more we know nearly nothing how much mature the J-20 and all its systems are.

Yes it is a fine fighter, Yes it has a huge fuel capacity ... but You guys are hyping this type as is it IS a Raptor-killer, as if the F-35 is a lame duck, as if You are only eager to go to war ...

I think none of You is old enough to ever realise how worse war is for everyone on each side.

Deino

 

[randomradio]

Funny thing is that the F-35 was deliberately made less stealthy than F-22 so that US could export it.

J-20 pilots will shoot these F-35 Turkeys out of the sky with ease.

The F-35 is stealthier than the F-22.

Short range is the unfixable shortcoming of F-22

The F-22 has enough range.