Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[hj786]

Pakistan is not getting 36 J-10/FC-20 this year.

The order is altered.

Now Pakistan is getting almost 50 J-10/FC-20 "high-tech" variant, to be delivered to the PAF in 2014-15, some speculate that this could be a version of the upgraded J-10B model.

On March 7th 2009, at agreement signing ceremony of JF-17 Thunder aircraft, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed said the agreement between Pakistan and China for the delivery of High-Tech aircraft J-10 was intact and these aircraft after improving them further would be delivered to PAF in 2014-15. He said these aircraft are being modernized in accordance with the PAF’s requirements and delivered under the title of FC-20.

Currently PAF is focusing to develop Full-fledged production of JF-17 in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

Planned Upgrade of JF-17 till 2015.

The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force service will most likely incorporate only Chinese avionics and other systems.
Extendable in-flight refueling probes will be added soon.
Minor airframe modifications to add two more external hardpoints have also been mentioned by some sources.

Greater use of composite materials in the airframe to decrease weight.
Chinese Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST) system, possibly the Type Hongguang-I Electro-optical radar originally developed for the Chengdu J-10 fighter by Sichuan Changhong Electric Appliance Corporation. JF-17 is already compatible with this system but currently it must be carried externally in a pod mounted on one of the hardpoints.
New engine; most likely the Chinese WS-13 TianShan, although the PAF is considering fitting European powerplants such as the French Snecma M88 to its aircraft.

Minor airframe modifications to reduce the aircraft's radar cross-section by adding stealthy features.

Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining production aircraft may also be equipped with European avionics, radars and weaponry. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and radars for JF-17 during initial development. Some of the radar options for JF-17 are the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7and the French Thomson-CSF RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), along with the MBDA MICA IR/RF short/medium range air-to-air missiles.


This would make the fighter more attractive.

Why are you copying these things from Wikipedia and then posting it as if it is accurate information?

 

[syedmobeenali]

Jian-10B (J-10B) Multirole Fighter Aircraft - SinoDefence.com

updated on official defense site of china.

 

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IRST for j-10

 

[Keysersoze]

Jian-10B (J-10B) Multirole Fighter Aircraft - SinoDefence.com

updated on official defense site of china.

SDF is a good site but not a official site.

 

[Super Falcon]

now paf buy 50 J 10

 

[pshamim]

Posted on pakdef as well:

Latest on J-10B:
J-10B was unveilled in December 2008. It had its maiden test flight this month (March 2009)

Some new information about the changes :

1, Airframe and avionics have been improved;

2. DSI replacing a lot of structures thus reducing weight by almost 300 Kgs and making it stealthier;

3. Reportedly an Electro-optical tracking system (EOTS) has been incorporated into the J-10. In addition EOTS, an IRST and Laser Range Finder has also been added. This will help in passive tracking of enemy target without activating the Fire Control radar;

4. Vertical Electronic warfare pods cabin and Electronic warfare antenna have also been added to the side of the fuselage and tail.Information still trickling in. We should get more info.

 

[M_Saint]

Posted on pakdef as well:

Latest on J-10B:
J-10B was unveilled in December 2008. It had its maiden test flight this month (March 2009)

Some new information about the changes :

1, Airframe and avionics have been improved;

2. DSI replacing a lot of structures thus reducing weight by almost 300 Kgs and making it stealthier;

3. Reportedly an Electro-optical tracking system (EOTS) has been incorporated into the J-10. In addition EOTS, an IRST and Laser Range Finder has also been added. This will help in passive tracking of enemy target without activating the Fire Control radar;

4. Vertical Electronic warfare pods cabin and Electronic warfare antenna have also been added to the side of the fuselage and tail.Information still trickling in. We should get more info.

Great but please beware that Chanakyas are working day and night to spoil our party. They have started it under the guise of 'Joint exercise against terrorism with our Chinese Brothers' and are now cruising on sending FGs in the upcoming multi-national Naval exercises in CHN. Please be mindful on that. Please take my word on it that they will ultimately try to seduce Chinese not to sell stuff to PAK MIL.

 

[pshamim]

Great but please beware that Chanakyas are working day and night to spoil our party. They have started it under the guise of 'Joint exercise against terrorism with our Chinese Brothers' and are now cruising on sending FGs in the upcoming multi-national Naval exercises in CHN. Please be mindful on that. Please take my word on it that they will ultimately try to seduce Chinese not to sell stuff to PAK MIL.

I agree. Pakistan has to remain cautious. At the risk of inserting a political note, let me also mention that Chanakyas have found themselves at a great disadvantage now. Being too smart, they tried to toe Bush's strategy to put them as a hedge against the Chinese, resulting in Chanakyas giving a cold shoulder to SCO. Now, after Bush's exit, they find both NATO and SCO's eagerness and insistence of Pakistan's centrality in solving the Afghanistan's problem. Of Course Chanakyas do not like that but they are stuck now.

 

[Hasnain2009]

^^Who r CHANKYAS??

 

[Hasnain2009]

 

[Rafael]

Posted on pakdef as well:

Latest on J-10B:
J-10B was unveilled in December 2008. It had its maiden test flight this month (March 2009)

Some new information about the changes :

1, Airframe and avionics have been improved;

2. DSI replacing a lot of structures thus reducing weight by almost 300 Kgs and making it stealthier;

3. Reportedly an Electro-optical tracking system (EOTS) has been incorporated into the J-10. In addition EOTS, an IRST and Laser Range Finder has also been added. This will help in passive tracking of enemy target without activating the Fire Control radar;

4. Vertical Electronic warfare pods cabin and Electronic warfare antenna have also been added to the side of the fuselage and tail.Information still trickling in. We should get more info.

So this means the pictures which were posted by a chinese member on another thread were not photoshopped?

 

[M_Saint]

I agree. Pakistan has to remain cautious. At the risk of inserting a political note, let me also mention that Chanakyas have found themselves at a great disadvantage now. Being too smart, they tried to toe Bush's strategy to put them as a hedge against the Chinese, resulting in Chanakyas giving a cold shoulder to SCO. Now, after Bush's exit, they find both NATO and SCO's eagerness and insistence of Pakistan's centrality in solving the Afghanistan's problem. Of Course Chanakyas do not like that but they are stuck now.

I'm well aware of the LIMBO that they are in right now, brother but please don't discount them yet since the combination of their shrewd and resourcefulness always help them to spearhead toward achieving their cunningness. For example, after seeing PAK's resolve on Afghan affairs they are sending signals to D.C. on taking Talibs with the help of Iranians and Ruskies. And on another front they are relentlessly pushing PAK to become isolated through the declaration of 'Terrorist state'. So, all the upcoming deliveries of SAAB AWACS and F-Solas will be postponed. Please beware of that too and let Medias as well bloggers, Web warriors to play co-ordinate rules just like they have thwarted Chanakya's evil efforts for implicating 'PAK nation’ as a terrorist one.

 

[fatman17]

New J-10 variant sighted

Ted Parsons, JDW Correspondent

Chinese web pages have featured photos of a new variant of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) J-10 multirole fighter that appears to confirm a spate of late December 2008 web reports on this same aircraft, with some accounts noting it has already been test flown.

This single-seat variant differs from the initial single-seat J-10 model in that it appears to feature a revised engine inlet, consistent in design with the diverter-less supersonic inlet (DSI) featured on the latest version of the Chengdu FC-1 lightweight multirole fighter. Reminiscent of the DSI modification first tested on a Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 30 in 1996, this modification saves weight and improves specific engine power and stealth. It also cleans up the J-10's previous complex inlet configuration, which was reportedly prone to vibration.

China's research on DSIs dates back to the late 1990s, with Chengdu's 611 institute for aerospace design having been assisted by government-funded research at the Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics.

In addition, this J-10 variant has a new infrared search and track (IRST) system canted to the right of the windscreen, with an apparent smaller optical sensor below the radome area, and a new electronic systems faring near the top of the vertical stabiliser, also similar to that of the FC-1. In addition, the radome has been changed to a flatter F-16-like profile. The back-leaning angle of the radome attachment bulkhead gives credence to web reports suggesting it also has a new radar, perhaps a new electronically scanned array, either active or passive.

The photos do not offer any indication of a new engine, either a new more powerful version of the Russian Saturn AL-31FN or the Chinese developed Liming WS-10A. While these could follow later, this aircraft appears to be an incremental upgrade for the J-10, which would be consistent with previous Chinese practice for indigenously designed combat aircraft. Nevertheless, these upgrades, perhaps to include a new radar, would enhance the aerial combat flexibility of the J-10, positioning it to better compete with the Shenyang J-11B for People's Liberation Army Air Force orders. It is also suggested that this J-10 is an initial development for what may become the 'FC-20' to be purchased by Pakistan.

For some time there have been indications, mainly from Russian industry sources, that Chengdu has been developing advanced variants of the J-10. The most near-term upgrade cited by these sources would have used a thrust-vectored version of the AL-31FN to power a potential aircraft carrier variant or one better suited for high-altitude airfields near India.

 

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[mean_bird]