Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[帅的一匹]

We will figure it out and mass production won't be long to wait.

 

[araz]

We will figure it out and mass production won't be long to wait.

It is precisely tbis fact and the time required to do so that is being discussed. No one denies that you will get tbere the question is when
araz

 

[fatman17]

in the past the wopen engines needed overhaul or replacement after 100 hours. that is now unacceptable. PAF is looking for atleast 500 hours of service before overhauls. so far the chinese have not been able to measure up to this benchmark.

 

[SBD-3]

J-10B testing, More smoothed prototype. Speculated to be the production model

 

[raazh]

J-10B testing, More smoothed prototype. Speculated to be the production model

[/IMG]

It seems to be fixed on stands. With all the radars and rest of the stuff in other pictures, I reckon they are doing some Signal testing/ECM/ECCM or something similar.

 

[Esc8781]

It seems to be fixed on stands. With all the radars and rest of the stuff in other pictures, I reckon they are doing some Signal testing/ECM/ECCM or something similar.

More likely Rcs, because the dishes are different size.

 

[SBD-3]

Here is an old interview by ACM Rao Qamar which gives considerable details about J-10 Issue. Coincides with the view of JFT project director that why Pakistan has no immediate intentions to buy J-10.

Date Posted: 06-Aug-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly


Interview: Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Pakistan Air Force Chief of the Air Staff

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent

The PAF plans to eventually induct up to 250 JF-17 fighters, making the aircraft the backbone of its inventory. The first 'fully made in Pakistan' JF-17 is expected to be produced by the end of this year at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in Kamra, north of Islamabad. However, there is still a requirement for a more advanced fighter aircraft, as the PAF prepares to counter the future edge that may be acquired by the IAF once it completes the planned purchase of 126 multirole combat aircraft (MRCAs)

"We knew about this requirement of the Indian Air Force for 126 latest-generation fighter aircraft. Yes, it is an alarming development because when they get 126 such capable aircraft, then we also need to have something matching to counter that threat," ACM Qamar said.

For the PAF, not only will the induction of 14 used F-16 aircraft and 18 new F-16C/D aircraft figure prominently in narrowing the gap, but continuing negotiations with China to purchase up to 36 FC-20 fighter aircraft - designated the J-10 in China - will also play an important role.

ACM Qamar said the PAF has finalised the technical proposal for the FC-20 and informed the Chinese of its requirements.


"[The technical proposal] is more or less finalised now. There are some changes that are required, which [the Chinese] are making," he said.

The next stage of the contract will involve financial negotiations between China and Pakistan. ACM Qamar believes that, following the signing of a contract, it will take two to two-and-a-half years before the first FC-20 aircraft is received.

 

[air marshal]

 

[SBD-3]

Much clearer picture, rumored to be RCS testing.

 

[Donatello]

Much clearer picture, rumored to be RCS testing.

Yes, probably RCS/Electronic capability testing, as no humans can be seen nearby.

 

[Leo7]

Fc 20 is 4.5th generation air craft it meets all needs of Pakistan air force .Pakistan need a 4.5th generation air craft to counter air suportity of Sukoi 30 MkI

 

[araz]

Fc 20 is 4.5th generation air craft it meets all needs of Pakistan air force .Pakistan need a 4.5th generation air craft to counter air suportity of Sukoi 30 MkI

The financial situation of Pakistan requires lateral thinking. Do you add to your inventory types with another plane, when for the cost of one of these you can induct 2 of JFTs.Please consider that it will not just be the plane but the whole infrastructure required for it.This obviously is time and money consuming as well as training intensive, for a force that is already struggling with 2 new platforms(JFT and F16sMLU) It is your bird and the money you spend goes into developing it further. There are also issues around J10B not having been inducted in PLAAF. As with new planes, PLAAF would fulfill theri own requirements and PAF would wait for the platform to mature. Thirdly what is the threat perception. The rafale is not on the scene, PAF is busy inducting the JFT and MLUed F16s need new planning due to improved capabilities. Do you need to take on newer inventory at this stage. PAF needs time to settle down with itsa new toys before it goes for J10.
Araz

 

[IceCold]

The financial situation of Pakistan requires lateral thinking. Do you add to your inventory types with another plane, when for the cost of one of these you can induct 2 of JFTs.Please consider that it will not just be the plane but the whole infrastructure required for it.This obviously is time and money consuming as well as training intensive, for a force that is already struggling with 2 new platforms(JFT and F16sMLU) It is your bird and the money you spend goes into developing it further. There are also issues around J10B not having been inducted in PLAAF. As with new planes, PLAAF would fulfill theri own requirements and PAF would wait for the platform to mature. Thirdly what is the threat perception. The rafale is not on the scene, PAF is busy inducting the JFT and MLUed F16s need new planning due to improved capabilities. Do you need to take on newer inventory at this stage. PAF needs time to settle down with itsa new toys before it goes for J10.
Araz

JF is not the answer for everything even if 2 comes for the price of one. The financial situation as pointed out by you is the only reason PAF is not inducting J-10. I don't believe engine is the core issue here because the way i see it if JF-17 can fly with RD-93, so can J-10 with ALF-31. God bless zardari

 

[araz]

JF is not the answer for everything even if 2 comes for the price of one. The financial situation as pointed out by you is the only reason PAF is not inducting J-10. I don't believe engine is the core issue here because the way i see it if JF-17 can fly with RD-93, so can J-10 with ALF-31. God bless zardari

RD93 was an assurance that the chinese got or you so for all intents that issue becomes irrelevant. There is sense in the russians agreeing to sellRD 93 to you and that is the sheer number of units(500). That will never be the case with j10and if you look at the reviews,nowhere will you find that sort of projection. To the contrary the chinese themselves are reluctant buyers of AL31instead making strides towards getting WS10 ready for mass production. This would mean reduction in number ofunits required and therefore the russians would not like to annoy the Indians.
I have never said that JFT is the answer to everything but it is something that is in your hands that can be developed to the extent you require it and so could become what you want it to be for you.Within the requirements of a country with little depth I think it ticks all the boxes you want it to be. The deficiencies could be covered byadding newer tech to the planerather than buying a djfferent plane. People on this boardc have gone wild at the thought of getting the Gripen which essentially is a plane in the class of JFT. So why not JFT itself.The current plane willevolve into a better one jn the next 10 yrs

 

[BATMAN]

First we need to lay out what we get from J-10, which 2 IFR fitted, Thunder can't provide?