Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[AVIAN]

It is quite clear that, PAF has been going through very tough financial crisis and hence it may have put off the purchase. Regardless of euphoria on Pakistani Defence forum about the purchase of J-10, it was quite wise on the part of PAF to convey their hurdle in advanced rather then keeping rest of the aviation lovers in dark about possible purchase of J-10.

It is quite shock to see that, not even J-10 has any affordibility quotient that can help PAF in the times of its crisis.

 

[TaimiKhan]

It is quite clear that, PAF has been going through very tough financial crisis and hence it may have put off the purchase. Regardless of euphoria on Pakistani Defence forum about the purchase of J-10, it was quite wise on the part of PAF to convey their hurdle in advanced rather then keeping rest of the aviation lovers in dark about possible purchase of J-10.

It is quite shock to see that, not even J-10 has any affordibility quotient that can help PAF in the times of its crisis.

Once again saying this, there is no confirm report that the decision for delay has been taken. The story got reported from just one source, which is itself not reliable enough as it is a source which we don't hear much, rather never.

As said on many occasions, PAF major acquisitions would be online by 2011, the F-16s, Saab Erieyes, Aerial tankers, radars and other stuff, which all have been paid for in advance or would be paid by then. Thus from 2010-11 onward there would be fiscal room available as we would only be paying for the JF-17s and the FC-20s, thus no fiscal worries there.

And FC-20s intended induction is 2014-15 which is 5 years away, more then enough time available for getting the money required. And except for JF-17s and Chinese AEW&Cs no other major project or induction planned. Yeah, the rumor of the 1B+ Euro deal of French Avionics for JF-17s is there, but not yet confirmed, when it will get confirmed then we will see. And even if it gets confirmed, it won't be a full amount in advance deal, rather as per orders which are placed and that too will range on a number of years as per induction of JF-17s.

 

[Arsalan]

PAF conveyed to PLAAF that J-10 is as good as Typhoon

But when this tregedy happened?

if you can spare out some time from trolling you can find out that:

this tragedy never happened!!!!​

i cannot understand how people use to jump into a thread and start posting without having slightest of idea that what is being posted and discussed!!!!

just cut this crap and go through last 20 posts!!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

.they took great interst in J-10.....must have evalutaed it.....
it is also on the record that PAF pilots were very satisfied with it....and PAF conveyed to PLAAF that this fighter can be as good as Typhoon....So are you making an argument that PAF make a judgment in space

What are you saying? J-10 par to EF-2000? Are you insane? Its like Indian fanboys claiming their LCA is better then Gripen and par with EF. Just for the record, PAF rejected J-10A back in 2004-6 while they were evaluating top european fighters and actually were very very impressed though due to political and financial hurdles europe could not win the orders. And few years ago a advance version of J-10 has been offered and a non westernized version is inferior to F-16 bock 52+ in many aspects.

? C'mon.....I have told you that PAF is interested in new J-10 type (J-10B).....and J-10B has not entered in service......so it is logical....pretty logical....that PAF will have to wait for J-10Bs.....cuz PLAAF will be the prioroty.....then Comes PAF.....the best possiblity would be a JV type ToPT...which would enable PAC to manufacuture them....But i dont think PAC would be too mature at this stage....

J-10B is not even PLAAF priority because its a export product not intend for PLAAF use.

here are some links i am sharing with you (i dont share my info links btw)China's AVIC steps up sales push for FC-1, J-10 fighters
China Defense Blog: J-10B for Pakistan

Thanks for sharing classified information with me .

 

[Arsalan]

Once again saying this, there is no confirm report that the decision for delay has been taken. The story got reported from just one source, which is itself not reliable enough as it is a source which we don't hear much, rather never.

As said on many occasions, PAF major acquisitions would be online by 2011, the F-16s, Saab Erieyes, Aerial tankers, radars and other stuff, which all have been paid for in advance or would be paid by then. Thus from 2010-11 onward there would be fiscal room available as we would only be paying for the JF-17s and the FC-20s, thus no fiscal worries there.

And FC-20s intended induction is 2014-15 which is 5 years away, more then enough time available for getting the money required. And except for JF-17s and Chinese AEW&Cs no other major project or induction planned. Yeah, the rumor of the 1B+ Euro deal of French Avionics for JF-17s is there, but not yet confirmed, when it will get confirmed then we will see. And even if it gets confirmed, it won't be a full amount in advance deal, rather as per orders which are placed and that too will range on a number of years as per induction of JF-17s.

bro i guess it is just you and me stupid enough for trying to tell them they same thing again and agian.
what i am going to do from no onward is just to refer such trolls to related posts!

regards!

 

[SBD-3]

What are you saying? J-10 par to EF-2000? Are you insane? Its like Indian fanboys claiming their LCA is better then Gripen and par with EF. Just for the record, PAF rejected J-10A back in 2004-6 while they were evaluating top european fighters and actually were very very impressed though due to political and financial hurdles europe could not win the orders. And few years ago a advance version of J-10 has been offered and a non westernized version is inferior to F-16 bock 52+ in many aspects.
J-10B is not even PLAAF priority because its a export product not intend for PLAAF use.

Thanks for sharing classified information with me .

here is 2006 news about it

09 January 2006

China working on 'Super-10' advanced fighter

By Henry Ivanov JDW Correspondent
Moscow

China is developing an advanced version of the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAC) J-10 multirole fighter aircraft, referred to as the Super-10, with a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control, stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar, according to Russian sources.

Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RSK-MiG) specialists, contracted to provide technical assistance to Chinese design houses, said the enhancement to the J-10 airframe is a logical step, since the fighter was initially intended to have the compact Pratt&Whitney PW1120 engine that powered the Israeli Lavi aircraft, which served as a basis for the J-10.

However, the imposition of US export restrictions forced the decision to install the 20 per cent heavier Russian AL-31FN engine, which requires a larger intake as it needs 40 per cent more air flow.

In late 2005 China placed a USD300 million order for a second batch of AL-31FN engines; these are a derivative of the Su-27's AL-31F for single-engine aircraft, with a lower positioning of the gearbox. At first, it was believed the contract was for the same engines as in the first batch of 54 units supplied in 2001-02 and installed into development prototypes and initial production J-10s. However, AL-31FN-maker Moscow Machine Production Plant (MMPP) Salyut in December 2005 revealed the order to be for the AL-31FN M1, which is claimed to be a new AL-31FN production standard.

The company's general manager, Yuri Eliseyev, said the new engine was purposely developed for what he referred to as the "Chinese Super-10 fighter". Four such engines have been seen assembled at MMPP Salyut's Moscow production site. One of these has been demonstrated undergoing fire testing, during which its swivel nozzle was deflected up/down and sideways at full power and reheated thrust.

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remeber the interview of Chinese naval chief in which he required super cruising fighters.....I think J-10 will be in compitition with more powerful engine and TVC

 

[Myth_buster_1]

here is 2006 news about it

why are you replying to me with links that i am already aware of? Whats your point?

 

[Arsalan]

well Hasnain i guess saying J10 to be on par EF2000 is a little too much. i mean the EF have the best westren equipment fitted into it. it is correctly claimed to be at number three spot after the F22 and F35 and J 10 is not of that class. saying this i am not degrading the J10 plane, it surely is a master peice and is good enough to match up with F16 blk52z, SU30z and Rafales!!

regards!

 

[Arsalan]

and yes!! that too i dont think wont match in its current J10 specs. but with a new engine, AESA radar, and perhaps TVC introduction the next J10 variants would be as good as F16 blk60, Su30z, Rafale and Gripens!!
i guess most of the members would agree with this!!

regards!

 

[All-Green]

The J-10 as it was, did not meet the PAF requirement and that is why we did not take an early delivery. J-10 was good but FC-20 has major upgrades and that was something we wanted.
The FC-20 is in the pipeline and the acquisition date is yet quite far off.

I would not believe any source other than PAF or GOP itself officially stating that FC-20 (not J-10) is not to be acquired...i do not think i have come across such a statement till date.

Had the J-10 in its past configuration been as good as Eurofighter, the PAF would have been really stupid not to buy it, it would have been the biggest Bang for Buck in history of aviation if that would have been the case...just some food for thought!

 

[SBD-3]

why are you replying to me with links that i am already aware of? Whats your point?

here is my point
With

1) AESA....
2) Structural redesign
3) More powerful engine
4) DSI (Wich EF does not have not uptill T3 even IMO)
5) TVC (WS-10A or AL-31F M1)

At this stage there are no definite plans to fit the nozzle to any production Eurofighter. However Eurofighter, EuroJet and a number of consortium nations and other companies have indicated a desire to include the nozzle (if possible) in Tranche-3 aircraft (due from 2010). This would fit with the stated desire of the four consortium nations to incorporate new technologies in sucessive Eurofighter production runs. The current Eurofighter struture has already been strengthened in anticipation of increased loads created by TVC as well as higher output EJ2x0 series powerplants.

Eurofighter Technology and Performance : Propulsion

6-Possible Supercruise (like Typhoon)
so Let J-10 spend some time.....I have high hopes with this bird...

 

[sancho]

here is 2006 news about it

That wind tunnel model is not a J10, its a Rafale (2 rounded air intakes with canards directly besides them):

The J-10 as it was, did not meet the PAF requirement and that is why we did not take an early delivery. J-10 was good but FC-20 has major upgrades and that was something we wanted.
The FC-20 is in the pipeline and the acquisition date is yet quite far off.

I would not believe any source other than PAF or GOP itself officially stating that FC-20 (not J-10) is not to be acquired...i do not think i have come across such a statement till date.

Had the J-10 in its past configuration been as good as Eurofighter, the PAF would have been really stupid not to buy it, it would have been the biggest Bang for Buck in history of aviation if that would have been the case...just some food for thought!

I think the question must be, what was PAFs requirement?

J10A is a different airframe, with better A2A design and if I'm not wrong a bigger nose, for a bigger radar than the JF 17. But all key techs and weapons would have been the same, or similar Chinese radar and weapons. So in this config and in addition to the first batch of JF 17, it wouldn't offer much advantages for the higher costs right?
Even if PAF had considered western avionic pack, similar to JF second batch, which would have been on offer? Nothing that is in a similar class as the techs of EF T2, Rafale F2, or F16 B52, which again means not enough advantages for the higher costs.

So the requirement might not have been in direct comparison to western fighters, but to JF 17 and the capabilities that PAF already has with it.
EF in T2 is still limited as a multi role fighter, but so is J10A and even EF in T1 is clearly superior to J10A. Doubtful that they really compared those against each other.

 

[wild peace]

Guys the deal is going to confirm in march even with tot ....refrence todays Daily News and Daily Jhang page no 8.

 

[Mani2020]

Guys the deal is going to confirm in march even with tot ....refrence todays Daily News and Daily Jhang page no 8.

Can u paste the article here

 

[aks]

Guys the deal is going to confirm in march even with tot ....refrence todays Daily News and Daily Jhang page no 8.

on page no.8 of jang there is only columns of journalists