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If tension with india increases and Pakistan face 26/11 like situation again paf will go for J10A and i hope they will be delivered on short notice
on the other hand PAF wants FC 20 and will get them after Chinese tests and inductions
PAF want the FC20 to be one single answer to whatever IAF can throw at them... for this reason PAF is keen to wait for a more stronger chines engine, better avionics and perhaps an AESA radar to fit in fc20!!
well to say the truth if all these demands are met it is worth waiting for it!!
regards!
yar i have read on fb page about j10b's they are comparing it with euro fighter n rafales n claiming it to b better then lastest f16s ... and even they are saying j10b is better than chinese flankers
abay tunay tau mujhe f-35 bhi kaha tha msg kar k yeh f-35 ab kahan gaya teri post ma
f35 ka comparison khudi parh lay tu jo us nai kiya tha larkay nai fb page par
PAF want the FC20 to be one single answer to whatever IAF can throw at them... for this reason PAF is keen to wait for a more stronger chines engine, better avionics and perhaps an AESA radar to fit in fc20!!
well to say the truth if all these demands are met it is worth waiting for it!!
regards!
it can not be......A multirole fighter has to make a sacrifice of A2A if it wants to become a good A2G fighter look at rafale and Typhoon....rafale is more potent A2G fighter while Typhoon is more capable in A2A.....so its always a trade off.....lets say IAF houses MKI as Airsuperiority and MMRCA as multirole....I think FC-20 being a multirole will be at par with MMRCA but below MKI.......I'm not saying FC-20 can't bring MKI down.....the point is that you can not design a fighter that can take out any fighet....(Raptor is an exception)
China National Defence University Professor, Rear Admiral Zhang rating F/A-16 C/D, M-2000 V, J-10 fighters:
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MKI is a good plane but is also severely underpowered. It looks great in performing those aerobatics at low speed. Has anyone ever seen nice moves when MKI has a payload on or at a higher and meaningful speed? I guess no.
If India inducts Typhoon or F/A-18 as MMRCA they should bring lots more headache to PAF than MKI.
MKI is a good plane but is also severely underpowered. It looks great in performing those aerobatics at low speed. Has anyone ever seen nice moves when MKI has a payload on or at a higher and meaningful speed? I guess no.
If India inducts Typhoon or F/A-18 as MMRCA they should bring lots more headache to PAF than MKI.
I would love to get a further elaboration
If we look at the basic features of Su-27/30, they have similar aerodynamic design and engines: very good manoeuvrability (instant and sustained turn at 28d/s and 22d/s, respectively).
Su-27/30: empty weight 16400 kg, 2 x 12500 kg engines.
For MKI, the weight increased 2000 kgs to 18400 kg. It means that MKI would make slightly less in sustained turn per sec. The addition of canards and TVC both contribute to help MKI in making instantaneous turns, so called agility. The high agility enables MKI have very large angle of attack that is advantagous in WVR or dog fight.
However, the agility of MKI is speed dependent: the lower the speed the better the agility. It could do instantaneous turn between 27 - 35 d/s with help of TVC but again depending on speed. Since the thrust weight ratio of MKI drops, it may only fly as normal as a Su-27 when it's loaded.
Here's some comparison:
Su-35BM: empty weight 18400kg, 2 x 14500kg engines = better thrust/weight ratio or manoeuvrability when loaded.
J-11B: empty weight 15500kg, 2 x 13200kg engines = A lot better thrust/weight ratio
In reality one should forget the aerobatic tricks that MKI can do. Instead, ECMs, weapons or pilot skills would be more important factors to decide who will win.
You are mixing up too many things at once don't you think?If we look at the basic features of Su-27/30, they have similar aerodynamic design and engines: very good manoeuvrability (instant and sustained turn at 28d/s and 22d/s, respectively).
Su-27/30: empty weight 16400 kg, 2 x 12500 kg engines.
For MKI, the weight increased 2000 kgs to 18400 kg. It means that MKI would make slightly less in sustained turn per sec. The addition of canards and TVC both contribute to help MKI in making instantaneous turns, so called agility. The high agility enables MKI have very large angle of attack that is advantagous in WVR or dog fight.
However, the agility of MKI is speed dependent: the lower the speed the better the agility. It could do instantaneous turn between 27 - 35 d/s with help of TVC but again depending on speed. Since the thrust weight ratio of MKI drops, it may only fly as normal as a Su-27 when it's loaded.
Here's some comparison:
Su-35BM: empty weight 18400kg, 2 x 14500kg engines = better thrust/weight ratio or manoeuvrability when loaded.
J-11B: empty weight 15500kg, 2 x 13200kg engines = A lot better thrust/weight ratio
In reality one should forget the aerobatic tricks that MKI can do. Instead, ECMs, weapons or pilot skills would be more important factors to decide who will win.
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