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[Dazzler]

The world is changing. Nothing stagnant. That's all I need to say. Many times, it's customer who are cheap. But we can't fault them. How many countries can afford to field 64units of USD 140million a piece of fighter jet?

you better not comment on things you have no clue about. Unless you have taken part in defense procurement processes and know how these things work, better stay in your dilusional patriotic world.

Instead of pointing fingures and calling others cheap, better give it a second thought before typing no brainer and idiotic gibberish.

 

[GreenFalcon]

wow this is some next level shit.

Word...

 

[tarrar]

WZ-10 had some issues when they were tested by PA. The results were probably shared with China & surely China is working hard on fixing those issues.

I am sure, WZ10 will make it in Pakistani colors & will serve really well for PA.

PA will operate new Cobra Zulu, Surely WZ10 & T129 is also being considered.

 

[IblinI]

As i said, if yankeez removed the politics, there is no comparison be it cost performance, technology and maintenance/ lifecycle.

Give us another 10-15 years.
10 years ago, our dream was to have an aircraft carrier, but now we are arguing on what types of catapult system shall be use on the second home made carrier.I mean things has changed too much in my country, even we cant pick up with the pace,let alone foreigners.

 

[Beast]

The customer support of Chinese defence industry sucks. The spares actually end up costing us more than what we'd pay to the Americans.

So much of malicious lies

you better not comment on things you have no clue about. Unless you have taken part in defense procurement processes and know how these things work, better stay in your dilusional patriotic world.

Instead of pointing fingures and calling others cheap, better give it a second thought before typing no brainer and idiotic gibberish.

Looks like I hit a nerve! Are you not going to admit there is defence budget constraint for PAF? Or you tell me PAF can afford 64 typhoon fighter? More like you can't accept reality of buying things that suit your budget?

I do deal in defence sector in the past and I can dare to say western and US vendor and their equipment is not as good as your all claim but the price is always 4-5 times much higher than we can get from other alternatives which will not degrade 4-5 times lesser.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/05/22/US-Military-Equipment-Built-with-Counterfeit-Parts

US product nowadays are not as good as 20years ago. With US more greedy corporate, gone are the good days for US.

Somebody are living in past glory.

 

[raazh]

you better not comment on things you have no clue about. Unless you have taken part in defense procurement processes and know how these things work, better stay in your dilusional patriotic world.

Instead of pointing fingures and calling others cheap, better give it a second thought before typing no brainer and idiotic gibberish.

aoa , i will actually second Mr. Beast views on quality vs cost considerations. And I have 10+ years of experience in defense and civil procurement in Pakistan and abroad. You get what you pay for. It is unfortunate that Chinese OEM are competing internationally on basis of price and not quality (even that is working in their favor) but that does not mean you cannot get top quality products from China.

Just do not expect a $10 product to cost you $1 from China. Chinese will never say No to you .. he is going to make something for you but that will surely be worth only $1 at the end.

 

[Arsalan]

Looks like a real kick @$$!!

Some detailed specs will be welcomed! What and how much of the data is being displayed, NVG? (it surely will be), track and cue?

 

[Dazzler]

So much of malicious lies


Looks like I hit a nerve! Are you not going to admit there is defence budget constraint for PAF? Or you tell me PAF can afford 64 typhoon fighter? More like you can't accept reality of buying things that suit your budget?

I do deal in defence sector in the past and I can dare to say western and US vendor and their equipment is not as good as your all claim but the price is always 4-5 times much higher than we can get from other alternatives which will not degrade 4-5 times lesser.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/05/22/US-Military-Equipment-Built-with-Counterfeit-Parts

US product nowadays are not as good as 20years ago. With US more greedy corporate, gone are the good days for US.

Somebody are living in past glory.

You missed the whole point and came up with your blabbering without understanding a simple point i made. I guess English is too difficult a language for you to understand. I suggest you to go through the post again.

Give us another 10-15 years.
10 years ago, our dream was to have an aircraft carrier, but now we are arguing on what types of catapult system shall be use on the second home made carrier.I mean things has changed too much in my country, even we cant pick up with the pace,let alone foreigners.

Buddy, no one in the right mind can doubt Chinese resolve and i for one have a lot of respect for your country. The only thing i said to that chap flew over his head. China had invested more than any country in R&D and technology in the last 35 years. They are destined for success and are in the right direction.

 

[ali_raza]

You missed the whole point and came up with your blabbering without understanding a simple point i made. I guess English is too difficult a language for you to understand. I suggest you to go through the post again.



Buddy, no one in the right mind can doubt Chinese resolve and i for one have a lot of respect for your country. The only thing i said to that chap flew over his head. China had invested more than any country in R&D and technology in the last 35 years. They are destined for success and are in the right direction.

brw how u compare our localy developments with chinese?are they as good as them or better?

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

brw how u compare our localy developments with chinese?are they as good as them or better?

what kind of local developments ? if we are making any equipment , then why will we go for Chinese alternatives ?

 

[CHI RULES]

true but the latest Chinese equipment seems to be fast catching up both in technology and reliability.

but not so far, the Z10 look to be potent yet as per facts/observations it can;t reach up to it's maximum potential due to under powered engines, perhaps in near future this problem shall be solved. Pak needs to replace it's existing 50+ Cobras soon.

On the other hand Pak may get help from Iran in future if spares are blocked by USA as done in the past regarding F16s. It may not prove to be difficult for us in future to keep our 15 Zulus operational. I am of the the view that in order to counter future heavy attack helicopters and armor of IA we should get maximum Zulus not just fifteen. The hell fire we are going to get is a multipurpose missile which may prove to be lethal for any adversary.

For lighter roles we should induct Z10s in numbers.

 

[Windjammer]

Not sure if these have been posted before, Z-10 flying over Islamabad.

 

[Zarvan]

So which attack helicopter are we going in. As I see we have three main options Z-10 and T-129 and MI-28. Personally It think MI-28 will be the best option but T-129 would be great too but Z-10 not so sure about @Dazzler.

 

[princefaisal]

Forget Mi-28 now until we get 100% assurance from Russia for its after sale support. Lets watch on the Mi-35 after sale support first.

 

[Dazzler]

So which attack helicopter are we going in. As I see we have three main options Z-10 and T-129 and MI-28. Personally It think MI-28 will be the best option but T-129 would be great too but Z-10 not so sure about @Dazzler.

t-129 would be a death trap. too many sanction prone parts.

Z-10 or Mi-28N one of the two would come. I doubt the yankee would release AH1Z