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[Haris Ali2140]

Z-10 is 100% with spares,engine,training and most importantly not embargoed situation ,available for Pakistan.....
Thats the real edge over T129 .....
Pakistan can also ask them to make a tailor made version for PAA corps.
We can also get TOT with an indengenious production line....



Czz less than T129 or as comparable to its weight ammunition carrying capacity?

@Imran Khan

Who said TOT is available???

 

[JohnWick]

Who said TOT is available???

Common sense if chinese gave us a a TOT 4gen++ fighter jet I mean JF-17 Thunder block 3 then this TOT is not a big deal....

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Common sense if chinese gave us a a TOT 4gen++ fighter jet I mean JF-17 Thunder block 3 then this TOT is not a big deal....

JF 17 was 20 years ago.

 

[JohnWick]

JF 17 was 20 years ago.

But block 3 is not 20 years old with AESA Radar,PL-15,HMD 3 axis fly by wire and latest EW suit.....
They gift us already 3 Z-10s operating in PAA .

 

[Maarkhoor]

Czz less than T129 or as comparable to its weight ammunition carrying capacity?

Yes especially engine and electronics further we have love affair with American products and have habit of comparing things with American ones...

That is why we have modified JF-17 to that extent Chinese refuse to induct final product.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So what the hell happened after 4 years still not inducted @Windjammer ?

@Horus @DESERT FIGHTER @Side-Winder@HRK @Arsalan @Irfan Baloch @Manticore@Indus Falcon @Oscar @Bilal Khan 777

didnt perform all round as well as T-129 did. its later versions might surpass our military requirements and some

 

[denel]

JF 17 was 20 years ago.

Please read and follow friend.... that Super 7 not jf-17.

We are still in Phase 1 of Jf-17 life cycle.

 

[JohnWick]

didnt perform all round as well as T-129 did. its later versions might surpass our military requirements and some

When we are going to get T129 if we had selected Z-10 the delivery is completed....

Yes especially engine and electronics further we have love affair with American products and have habit of comparing things with American ones...

That is why we have modified JF-17 to that extent Chinese refuse to induct final product.

Z-10 is the most advanced attack helicopter available in Asia....
We need 70 Z-10s for CPEC security....
@HRK @Signalian @seven0seven @araz

 

[PakFactor]

When we are going to get T129 if we had selected Z-10 the delivery is completed....


Z-10 is the most advanced attack helicopter available in Asia....
We need 70 Z-10s for CPEC security....
@HRK @Signalian @seven0seven @araz

We’re wasting time holding out for the T129, could have inducted the Z-10 by now in larger numbers and once T129 comes online the cream of the crop could’ve been trained on the T129, as an elite force.

 

[JohnWick]

We’re wasting time holding out for the T129, could have inducted the Z-10 by now in larger numbers and once T129 comes online the cream of the crop could’ve been trained on the T129, as an elite force.

Yes we need 100 of them for India.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes we need 100 of them for India.

PA is not satisfied Z-10 performance, that's why they are not chosed

 

[JohnWick]

PA is not satisfied Z-10 performance, that's why they are not chosed

I don't think Chinese use sub standard attack helicopter.Z-10 look very futuristic.
You can say T-129 has edge.....
Czz of Agustawestland and Tai.....
With years of innovation and experience

 

[Ultima Thule]

I don't think Chinese use sub standard attack helicopter.Z-10 look very futuristic.
You can say T-129 has edge.....
Czz of Agustawestland and Tai.....
With years of innovation and experience

Z-10 is under powered, its lack sophisticated/sensor fused electronic countermeasures, it was based on some old EU attack heli designs (T-129),and there are rumors that Agustawestland help the development of Z-10

 

[Dazzler]

I think they did tried Z10 ME Recently.
@HRK @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Rashid Mahmood

Trials ongoing

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Common sense if chinese gave us a a TOT 4gen++ fighter jet I mean JF-17 Thunder block 3 then this TOT is not a big deal....

I beg to disagree. just because something is Chinese doesn't automatically mean the technology access is automatically in our hands.

as for JF 17, this project was not easy. everything we did get eventually we had to argue , negotiate and fight over it and had its downs and more downs bitter arguments and almost cancellations.
to put it mildly. the Chinese despise our lax attitude, lack of work ethic and automatic but false entitlement.
this is same reason why Saudis have already started to despise us openly for this sense of entitlement for doing nothing and demanding special favors because we are Muslims.

no country will just automatically hand you over their R & D and expertise just because you are hosting them a coast.

JF 17 project has a lot of hidden stories, its a miracle no doubt but a very modest one. we really need to up our game and become deserving first and I tell you that even the western embargo will start to vanish

Z-10 is under powered, its lack sophisticated/sensor fused electronic countermeasures, it was based on some old EU attack heli designs (T-129),and there are rumors that Agustawestland help the development of Z-10

its only as good as its outer look.
the real deal was that it actually performed in different altitudes and weather conditions thats where its performance didnt math its looks it failed to deliver during the trials but Chinese took a lot of experience back with them