Charlie Hebdo’s new edition to have Muhammad cartoons

[Penguin]

So far, no one has endorsed shooting or killing.

Be glad.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I for one won't feel saddened if there is another attack. This is deliberate provocation. If there is an attack on them by militants in the coming weeks, remember they are bringing it on themselves.

Is advocating acts of terrorism not a bannable offence on here @waz?

Because we all know the rational response to a CARTOON is death?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Fcuk charlie hebdo-
If somethig like the attacks ever happens again on them they fully deserve it-

Why? I am honestly trying to grapple with this, is the right to LIFE by these cartoonists less than the right of the Muslim community's right not to be offended?

I can understand that some Muslims will get offended by the depiction of their prophet BUT why should that invite violence? Is violence the only means of resolving disagreements your community has?

They provoke you with a cartoon, you provoke them back by threatening violence (and in some cases committing violence) and round and round we go.

 

[Penguin]

You are absolutely right. If you are a Westerner on here you get plenty of insults and bad behaviour directed at you by Moslems of all stripes.
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And hindu's too. Not to mention the Chinese (and communists have a distinct perspective of their own, with respect to religion [opium for the masses IIRC] )

See you just insulted a religion in a gross manner. And you also showed that you're a bigot by saying that Islam is more important. It is no more important than Atheism or Scientology.

Granted, there are more followers of Islam.

But that does not make other flavors inherently less valid.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Some bigots free speech is not bigger than a billion plus people's sentiments.

Since when did the entire world replace their common law with Sharia law? A billion is a lot of people but it is still the minority of the world's population. Why should the minority dictate the terms to the majority? I usually avoid these kind of religious topics but what I am reading is infuriating me. Who are Muslims to tell the other 6 billion people how to live their lives?

This sense of superiority is despicable and I have encountered it time and again with Muslims (not just on here but in school and on the streets of the UK)who consider their religion above all others'.

 

[ozzy22]

And hindu's too. Not to mention the Chinese (and communists have a distinct perspective of their own, with respect to religion [opium for the masses IIRC] )

The fact that both sides think the forum is biased against them just shows that this forum is pretty neutral and fair.

This is what I wrote to another member.

Sure. Like I said you only see offence when it offends your sensibilities. Name me another defence forum that is as open and welcoming to everyone as this forum is. It seems like you’re seeing oppression were they aren’t any. Kind of like how you describe Muslims?

 

[Penguin]

Why? I am honestly trying to grapple with this, is the right to LIFE by these cartoonists less than the right of the Muslim community's right not to be offended?

I can understand that some Muslims will get offended by the depiction of their prophet BUT why should that invite violence? Is violence the only means of resolving disagreements your community has?

They provoke you with a cartoon, you provoke them back by threatening violence (and in some cases committing violence) and round and round we go.

We all can use thicker skins and better communication skills, I suppose.

 

[Abingdonboy]

We all can use thicker skins and better communication skills, I suppose.

In an ideal world of course. I'm not saying Muslims don't have a right to be offended or protest but to threaten/condone violence on CARTOONISTS it is just mindboggling.

Islam translates to peace does it not? How about practicing this. I am a believer of one God true, the same god as Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc and I believe that this God doesn't need us killing each other over bloody CARTOONS. If these people offend God then let God sort this out, don't take it upon yourselves. I would argue acting in Allah's/Islam's name to commit acts of terrorism on innocents is FAR more blasphemous than anything anyone with a pen and paper could ever do.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The fact that both sides think the forum is biased against them just shows that this forum is pretty neutral and fair.

This is what I wrote to another member.

Sure. Like I said you only see offence when it offends your sensibilities. Name me another defence forum that is as open and welcoming to everyone as this forum is. It seems like you’re seeing oppression were they aren’t any. Kind of like how you describe Muslims?

Oh please not another claim of superiority, pls pls pls.

The credit goes to us (ok not me), to people like @Penguin and @gambit and @Abingdonboy who just grow a thick skin and contribute immensely to this defence forum.

Read comment no 7 and other comments by the forum admin, unprovoked. Tell us we don't take that in our stride and try to co exist and even make this forum rich! Welcoming yes, but thats not even half the story.

Growing Hindu extremism in india

God bless Mohammed bin Qasim for destroying stupid myth centered beliefs, stones and for killing an inbred fool Raja who married his own sister. Chiii, thank God such an ugly and enslaving way of life was tore into shreds by a 17 year old. If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be eating beef nihari, chapli kabab and beef sajji today.

 

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[ozzy22]

Ha ha that welcoming superiority claim did not last long, did it? Went up in a plume of smoke faster than a teenage suicide bomber!

Like I said before the low, low price of using Google can help you with this unfortunate problem you seem to be having and I didn't claim superiority I said the forum is pretty fair. If it wasn't I doubt there would be so many Indians on here.

 

[My-Analogous]

Charlie Hebdo was criticizing all extremists of all religions,and even extremists politics.
I personally hope that they will continue publishing ! (if they give up,the terrorists will win.)

Critizing is different and insulting others is another. you guys don't have a right to insult over 1 billion Muslims. In our religion we can't make any photo of our prophet by any means. You guys should not have permit to draw prophet Muhammad and insult us. Criticizing Islam or Muhammed is acceptable but not to do something that is not even allowed to us. It is like that we urinate your holy water and saying that it will not effect its purity because science proof that that urine will not mix with water. Criticize us but not insult us

 

[Gabriel92]

Critizing is different and insulting others is another. you guys don't have a right to insult over 1 billion Muslims. In our religion we can't make any photo of our prophet by any means. You guys should not have permit to draw prophet Muhammad and insult us. Criticizing Islam or Muhammed is acceptable but not to do something that is not even allowed to us. It is like that we urinate your holy water and saying that it will not effect its purity because science proof that that urine will not mix with water. Criticize us but not insult us

Where did Charlie Hebdo "insult" your religion ?

 

[My-Analogous]

Where did Charlie Hebdo "insult" your religion ?

To many Muslims, any image of the prophet Muhammad is sacrilegious
Fatwa:



All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad

is His slave and Messenger.


It is known that a photograph of the Prophet

does not exist so that his picture may be published based on it, or for someone to claim that a certain image is his picture. This is nothing but a lie and a blasphemy; even if the purpose of publishing the picture is to glorify and honour him. So how could the person who published his picture claim that it was the Prophet's

while he has not seen him.


If the purpose of publishing the picture is to mock and ridicule him

then this is disbelief, as he was Allaah's Messenger and the best and the last Prophet, so how can one mock him and ridicule him? Such an act [mocking and ridiculing] cannot be accepted even if it is regarding a noble or great personality in this world, so how can this be accepted for one of Allaah's Prophets, may Allaah exalt their mention, in whom hundreds of millions of people around the world believe as Allaah's Messenger?

Allaah Knows best.

BBC News - Charlie Hebdo: Muslim media anger at new cartoon

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/a...e-of-the-prophet-sallallaahu-alayhi-wa-sallam

now see some more so called freedom of expression people

Lars Vilks Muhammad drawings controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gregorius Nekschot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So my question to you. Can you put Jesus (P.B.U.H) into a picture of animals?. May Allah forgive me and Jesus (P.B.U.H) is good man and a Prophet and i respect him like any thing.

 

[TankMan]

Got them killed?

Incorrect. He ignored and forgave them.

"The story relates the fate of Asma bint Marwan, a poet from the Prophet's home town of Mecca. After she had mocked Muhammad in her verses, he cried out, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" - and sure enough, that very night, she was killed by one of his followers in her own bed. The assassin, reporting back on what he had done, was thanked personally by the Prophet. "You have helped both God and His messenger!""

Source: Tom Holland a respected historian BBC News - Viewpoint: The roots of the battle for free speech

That story has been rejected by most Islamic scholars. It is from an old book of sayings and accounts regarding the Prophet, compiled by one scholar. This hadith also contradicts the Quran, meaning that It can not be authentic, as per the rules of Islamic jurisprudence.
If you're interested in more detail:
True Stories or Forgeries? The Killing of Abu 'Afak and Asma' bint Marwan?
Asma Bint Marwan: Did the Prophet order her killing? | aslamabdullah

What he really did:

A group of Jews asked permission to visit the Prophet (and when they were admitted) they said, "As-Samu 'Alaika(Death be upon you)." I (Aisha) said (to them), "But death and the curse of Allah be upon you!" The Prophet said, "O 'Aisha! Allah is kind and lenient and likes that one should be kind and lenient in all matters."I (Aisha) said, "Haven't you heard what they said?" He said, "I said (to them), 'Wa 'Alaikum (and upon you).

(Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 61 - A sahih hadith, meaning its authenticity is undisputed)