Charlie Hebdo’s new edition to have Muhammad cartoons

[pak-marine]

These retarded cartnoonists and there dumb supporters like you will not learn and will cause bloodshed in world.

Prophet PBUH has a billion ++ followers in todays world you think a cartoonist can threat this personality .. you are so very wrong .. slaughtering of unarmed people is causing a huge damage and have created a very negative impact impact .. a million copies of the magazine were sold world wide just because of silly actions of some organisations.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Do not toss that around as if you know what you are talking about.

Psychological torture is when the victim is captive and unable to escape a constant barrage of emotional and mental assaults and that the victim have no ability to respond in kind.

Who is forcing you to buy magazines that draws Muhammad ? When there was a just a rumor of a Quran burning in the US, Muslims on the other side of the world rioted. Was that from psychological torture ? A mere rumor is mental and emotional torture ? Further, who is forcing the Muslims to come to the West when they knew that there is an abundance of rights and freedoms that will be different from what they are used to from their home countries ?

As for the Europeans and their history, go right ahead and use such those histories and slander them. You have the same freedom of speech they do. Same latitudes and limitations.

Muslims rioted but not just after quran burning incident, but over they repeatedly insulted Islam and created a video documentary against Prophet PBUH and that led to ban on youtube in various muslim countries , its your few extreme fools who were provoking these incidents, such hate based criticism against any other religion can get you to jail in europe. we are not against criticism, but insult is not criticism, provoking someone is not freedom of speech . Its direct a hate crime.

 

[gambit]

Muslims rioted but not just after quran burning incident, but over they repeatedly insulted Islam and created a video documentary against Prophet PBUH and that led to ban on youtube in various muslim countries , its your few extreme fools who were provoking these incidents, such hate based criticism against any other religion can get you to jail in europe. we are not against criticism, but insult is not criticism, provoking someone is not freedom of speech . Its direct a hate crime.

Sorry, but we disagree. Guess we will just have to go to war over this.

Wait a moment...We are already at war over this.

I hope you understand that I do not want to wish you the customary 'Good luck' in this war.

 

[syedali73]

Muslims rioted but not just after quran burning incident, but over they repeatedly insulted Islam and created a video documentary against Prophet PBUH and that led to ban on youtube in various muslim countries , its your few extreme fools who were provoking these incidents, such hate based criticism against any other religion can get you to jail in europe. we are not against criticism, but insult is not criticism, provoking someone is not freedom of speech . Its direct a hate crime.

Beautifully put together but if you think whom you are addressing to will even attempt to read let alone understand your post, you are hopelessly wrong. We have a few members here who only and exclusively read, understand (doubtful though) and admire (absolutely) their own posts and of none others. "My way or highway" is their motto for they think they are powerful enough to make this happen. They forget that there once were as mighty empires as Rome, Ottoman, United Kingdom (sun never used to set), USSR, and now these mighty empires are no where to be found.

 

[Dubious]

I do not know how defence of an act of terror is actually a PoV, maybe you know better and hey no one blew you up so yeah tolerance is there.

Parroting what I just said :

I dont see the word defend that many of you have made up...Oh yea intolerance to different POV makes you do that!

doesnt answer my question!

They might say the same but by your religions own definition( and which you strongly believe in) that Islam is the one true religion you insult the 5 billion plus but hey those 5 billion did not maim or kill people for this and other insults being heaped upon them but only Muslims by shear numbers i.e 1.7 billion should not be insulted cause they will take up arms and kill people.

Cool story

I already answered this twice on this thread alone so again parroting just shows a certain level....

Christianity is the one true religion. That may sound awfully dogmatic and narrow-minded, but the simple truth is that Christianity is the only true religion. Jesus said that He alone was the way to the Father (John 14:6)--that He alone revealed the Father (Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22). Christians do not go around saying Christianity is the only way because they are arrogant, narrow-minded, stupid, and judgmental. They do so because they believe what Jesus said. They believe in Jesus, who claimed to be God (John 8:58; Exodus 3:14), who forgave sins (Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48), and who rose from the dead (Luke 24:24-29; John 2:19f). Jesus said that He was the only way.

the Jewish people have a covenant with G-d and do not need the Messiah to enter Heaven. Gentiles need Yeshua (Jesus) to enter Heaven. As G-d's elect people the Jews enjoy a special right and Covenant which supersedes the requirement for them to accept the messiah.

Something a rabbi said: One True Religion
The eighth of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Judaism is that the entire Torah is God's word. As God knows all, His will that Torah remains unchanged throughout every generation teaches that the Torah's ideas are eternally true; they are applicable to all generations.

History does not recount God giving a religion to mankind, other than Judaism.

The Torah states (Deuteronomy 4:9-13):

(Moses told the Israelites Only beware for yourself and greatly beware for your soul, lest you forget the things that your eyes have beheld. Do not remove this memory from your heart all the days of your life. Teach your children and your children's children about the day that you stood before the Lord your God at Chorev (Sinai)...

So you approached and stood at the foot of the mountain. The mountain was burning with a fire reaching the heart of heaven, with darkness, cloud, and mist. God spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you were hearing the sound of words, but you were not seeing a form, only a sound. He told you of His covenant, instructing you to keep the Ten Commandments, and He inscribed them on two stone tablets.

A precise claim is being made here: That an entire nation - the three million men, women and children who came out of Egypt - heard G-d speaking at Mount Sinai, saying, "I am the Lord your G-d."

More interesting stuff here : Faith in Torah - Belief in Judaism - Revelation at Sinai - nope it is not an ANTI JEWISH website but a Jewish one!


So whose offended?

And Nope none of that is not from the Quran

Please go educate yourselves!

 

[Penguin]

Insulting is not freedom of speech, and hence avoid such acts is best solution.
deaths is at least concrete example for you. you can't deny it straight. , well do you believe in aliens?

If you find CH insulting, please realize it is an equal opportunity insulter that takes on a variety of believe systems, whether or not religious.

Interesting discussion here
Why is it okay when Charlie Hebdo mocks Islam, but mocking Judaism is considered anti-Semitism? - Quora

 

[syedali73]

If you find CH insulting, please realize it is an equal opportunity insulter that takes on a variety of believe systems, whether or not religious.

Only because somebody abuses everybody in the neighborhood does not mean I will let him abuse my loved ones too. Abusing or insulting Moses, and Jesus Christ is as much condemnable.

 

[Penguin]

Well, If sensitive issues were dealt smartly , then we were not be debating essence of freedom of speech today, attacks on mosques in sweden and france, Is that also essence of western freedom of speech?

There is a distinct difference between speech (what you say) and violence (what you do). You can say "I hate X, I love Y" but you can't engage in violence or incite others to engage in violence. That is where the line is draw. Attacking is crossing the line in a free society. Freedom of speech and gathering is essential to e.g. a legitimate political proces as well as freedom of religion.

Only because somebody abuses everybody in the neighborhood does not mean I will let him abuse my loved ones too. Abusing or insulting Moses, and Jesus Christ is as much condemnable.

Condemning (or talking about it with the 'offender') is not a problem. Beating, stabbing, shooting or blowing up are.

If I were to say "I don't believe there is a god' < hypothetical statement >, would that be offensive to you? Would I deserve to die for that? Because that is also part of the freedoms discussed, to NOT be religious and to be able to say so and not get harrassed.

In the Netherlands, 42% of the people are NOT religious. That is the majority, assuming you don't lump protestants and catholics together. IF you do lump them together, 48% is 'christian', 42% is not religious and 10% believes something else. So there are 58% who are religious versus 42% that are not. The latter % has been on the increase over the decades since WW2.... the former % has steadily declined.

CBS- Central Bureau of Statistics aka Statistics Netherlands

You might find this interesting/related

In most countries surveyed, majorities consider religion an essential part of their lives. However, younger people are generally less likely to say religion is very important to them. This is especially true in Western Europe, where relatively few young people say religion plays a key role in their lives, but the same pattern can be found in other countries around the world as well, including the United States.
In addition to an age gap, there is also a significant gender gap in most nations over religion’s importance. Women are consistently more likely than men to describe religion as very important to them. The largest gender gap on the survey appears in the U.S., where 65% of women consider religion very important, compared with just 44% of men.
Generally, there is a clear relationship between wealth and religiosity: in rich nations fewer people view religion as important than in poor nations. In the current survey, people who live in the poorest nations almost unanimously say religion is important to them, while the citizens of Western Europe and other wealthy nations tend to say it plays a less significant role. However, Americans – who tend to be religious despite their country’s wealth – continue to be a major exception to this pattern.
Muslim respondents consistently rate religion an important part of their lives, and traditional Islamic practices – such as praying five times a day and fasting during Ramadan – are common among the Muslim publics surveyed.
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Nearly all Indonesians (99%) and Pakistanis (98%) surveyed consider religion important. Elsewhere in the Asia and Pacific region, about nine-in-ten (89%) in predominantly Hindu India rate religion important. The picture is quite different, however, in the more economically advanced nations of Japan (41% important), South Korea (45%) and Australia (46%).

Chapter 2. Religiosity | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project

 

[Red Spinifex]

There will “obviously” be Muhammad cartoons in the next edition of Charlie Hebdo, the magazine’s lawyer has announced. The print run will be up to three million, instead of the usual 60,000.

Excellent! That's the way to do it. Don't give in a millimetre to the murderous Moslem scum.
The more offensive it is to Moslems, the better.

 

[syedali73]

Condemning (or talking about it with the 'offender') is not a problem. Shooting or blowing up is.

So far, no one has endorsed shooting or killing.

 

[ozzy22]

It was a cartoon by a magazine the drew cartoons and mocked every religion but the people who hurt Islam and Muslims were the 3 gunman.Just look around and the response it got. God doesn't need us humans to defend him or his prophet.

 

[Penguin]

what about Psychological torture? insulting someone over religion is not termed as racism in europe. they are continuously slanging us, what if someone slang European over its tradition or its background ? it is definitely regarded as act of insult, radical , extreme, racist . . then why so much freedom against Muslims is appreciated?

Look around you, on this forum. If you are western, you get plenty of insult here. That is not in the last place because where you stand (opinion) depends on where you sit (where you are or come from ).

Why wasting time? Where this freaking freedom of speech goes when it comes to questioning the damn holocaust? The proponent and die-hard supporter of this 'freedom-of-speech' idiocy become mute when this question is thrown at them. The only use of the freedom of speech is to sling mud on Islam and ridicule its Prophet (PBUH), nothing less nothing more. These standard bearers of the so-called free-of-speech are worst kind of hypocrites and liars.

The holocaust is an historical fact, not an opinion or 'perspective'. Attempts to rewrite history - anyone's history - are despicable and selfdeluding.

Why have a problem with attempts do deal with those that try to falsify history? Ask the Chinese here what they think of Japanese denial of large scale and systematic atrocities against the Chinese in WW2.

IMHO Napoleon never existed, there never was a WW2 and men never set foot on the moon. So, I wonder why I'm stuck in the Netherlands with a 'napoleontic' rather than a 'common law' legal system, what all the fuss is about between Germans and jews, Japanese and Chinese, and what else was cooked up in Hollywood....

 

[Red Spinifex]

Look around you, on this forum. If you are western, you get plenty of insult here. That is not in the last place because where you stand (opinion) depends on where you sit (where you are or come from ).


The holocaust is an historical fact, not an opinion or 'perspective'. Attempts to rewrite history - anyone's history - are despicable and selfdeluding.

You are absolutely right. If you are a Westerner on here you get plenty of insults and bad behaviour directed at you by Moslems of all stripes.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Only because somebody abuses everybody in the neighborhood does not mean I will let him abuse my loved ones too. Abusing or insulting Moses, and Jesus Christ is as much condemnable.

Thats respecting your own prophets. Atleast give examples of religious symbols not revered in islam to make your argument look a wee bit genuine!!!

Like this. Tell us, how much you respect that temple over which a mosque has been built by a ruler your country considers a hero officially.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Good for them, if they had not done this then those people died for NOTHING.

Do not let extremists dictate their terms to the rest of the world. Under French law this outlet can print such material, if anyone has an issue with that then don't look at the pictures. Yes there are over a billion Muslims but that means there are more than 6 billion who ARE NOT Muslims so why should the majority of the world's population be held to ransom by a fanatical minority?


I've looked into this and the reason Islam does not allow the image of Mohammed to be created is because they don't want to create an idol of the man, because that would be idol worship and in Islam there is only one God (allah). And do you know what one of the scumbags who killed the people in the paper's building said? "I have avenged Mohammed"! If this isn't idol worship I don't know what is.