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[ghazi52]

The government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has declared Tuesday (tomorrow) as the first day of Eid Ul Fitr for the sake of "harmony", provincial Information Minister Shaukat Yousafzai announced.

He said more than 112 evidences of moon-sighting were received by Peshawar Masjid Qasim Ali Khan — where Mufti Shahabuddin Popalzai had already declared that Eid would begin on Tuesday — and the KP government itself received moon-sighting testimonies from different areas.

 

[criticalerror]

The government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has declared Tuesday (tomorrow) as the first day of Eid Ul Fitr for the sake of "harmony", provincial Information Minister Shaukat Yousafzai announced.

He said more than 112 evidences of moon-sighting were received by Peshawar Masjid Qasim Ali Khan — where Mufti Shahabuddin Popalzai had already declared that Eid would begin on Tuesday — and the KP government itself received moon-sighting testimonies from different areas.

They have no choice. It is not permissible to fast when the people around you (the majority) are celebrating Eid. However misguided(or guided even) they may be .

 

[The Accountant]

Sunnah is to follow the Hadeeth about it . I have no idea why simple sighting of the moon is undesirable and scientific methods to replace them are desirable. Calculations are permitted, to assist in determination of Ramzan. Same way as binoculars.

Its not that the traditional way are not desireable ... its a fact that if sceintific computation shows that moon sighting is not possible but still some people claim too see the moon than question are raised on the authenticity of information specially when we have hundreds of foreign agents and micreants present in our country whose sole purpose is to divide us ...

Consider an example where it is dark night and someone call you at 3 am and tell you that sun is shinning will you go outside to check or will deny it altogather by checking the watch ?

When we use science to determine the exact time of sun rise than why not for moon sighting specially when it is causing a divide in the nation ...

The proposed method is more accurate

 

[MT Ali]

I already explained the invalidity of this example. Travelling in automobiles , cellular phone usage , toilets have no bearing on obligations of the religion. Sighting the moon has a bearing on a religious obligation. You are comparing apples and oranges and using that to further your argument.

Mohtaram, Your statement is actually false. Travelling, communication, toilets all have religious bearings. Islam is a code of life ... it encompasses all. You travel for Hajj, there are plenty of ahadees telling you how much you should have saved before proceeding etc. There are verses in Quran about backbiting and slander -- a form of communication and tahara (hygiene) is one of the most important aspects of our religion and we are obligated to follow those injunctions. Please refrain from 1) making things up 2) picking, choosing and interpreting in a way that suits your arguments.

 

[ProudPak]

Bhai, Ive answered this so many times I feel I should buy a camel. Please read my latest post.

I dont oppose the use of science, I have used it myself to verify moonsighting.

Ok bhai...
I am so sick of this is sunnah yet Islam our prophet pbuh and the the sahaba were progressive. We are just stupid and our molvis say things like everything is in the Quran. Well show me how to pray from the Quran or how to do heart surgery.
I just cant be bothered with them anymore

 

[criticalerror]

Mohtaram, Your statement is actually false. Travelling, communication, toilets all have religious bearings. Islam is a code of life ... it encompasses all. You travel for Hajj, there are plenty of ahadees telling you how much you should have saved before proceeding etc. There are verses in Quran about backbiting and slander -- a form of communication and tahara (hygiene) is one of the most important aspects of our religion and we are obligated to follow those injunctions. Please refrain from 1) making things up 2) picking, choosing and interpreting in a way that suits your arguments.

Stating something without providing a logical argument is what’s actually “false”. I did not argue that Islam does not encompass all. I said those things did not have a bearing on a “religious obligation “. Please understand what i am saying before claiming something.

I would advise you to take your own advice .
Please refrain from 1) making things up 2) picking, choosing and interpreting in a way that suits your arguments.

 

[criticalerror]

Its not that the traditional way are not desireable ... its a fact that if sceintific computation shows that moon sighting is not possible but still some people claim too see the moon than question are raised on the authenticity of information specially when we have hundreds of foreign agents and micreants present in our country whose sole purpose is to divide us ...

Consider an example where it is dark night and someone call you at 3 am and tell you that sun is shinning will you go outside to check or will deny it altogather by checking the watch ?

When we use science to determine the exact time of sun rise than why not for moon sighting specially when it is causing a divide in the nation ...

The proposed method is more accurate

I understand where you are coming from. But to stop false claims of moon sighting, we should stop those people that do so. Do note that the science you pin your hopes on to unite us on this issue will only further serve to divide us. Hence it will be counter productive.

I totally understand your arguments in favour. But i maintain that it is not at our whims to change Sunnah per our own whims and the discoveries of science. If moon sighting were a controversial method, there would be fighting around the world. The only fighting occurs over this in Pakistan. That is enough for you to deduce where the problem lies.

 

[TheSeeker]

Yes I am aware of the Sunnah....
The life of the Prophet SAW is called the Sunnah
I am also aware of the Sunnah to eat on the floor, to be respectful to adults, enemies and kafir, the sick, the needy, the poor
The Sunnah also includes:

Not to waste
Not to indulge in backbiting, lying
Not to take Sood
Not to divide Islam and Muslims
To smile if you dont like something no need to point it out or ridicule it
Not to insult your wife's cooking
Not to compliment another woman infront of your wife
To play with your children not give them ipads (No sunnah on Ipads)
To eat halal only
To do fair trade and not cheat
It was also sunnah to ride camels, to marry widows, elder women, divorcee, to take care of the orphan!
There is also sunnah on not to brag, dont be proud, kill the ego and anger...

There is plenty that we dont state, debate nor follow! Yet when it is regarding unity of Islam...we attack the unity the most and justify the division by using Quranic verses, hadith and Sunnah!


Do you have a stick stuck in your front lawn to tell the timing for namaaz?

Coz the Sunnah was to see the sun not the calculated movements of the Sun to predict the times to prayer!

After googling for a while this is the most satisfying answer I can find:

For daily five prayers no one performs prayer (Salat) after seeing Sun OR Star’s positions. We use watches and clocks for this purpose but we pray at the time defined by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Science and technology help us to determine prayer times. Similarly, we MUST use science to determine the time for Ramadan, Eid and Hajj but we must start these months based upon the criteria defined by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Could not stop thanking your post.i like your post here.Prophet was so loving and gentle.Now a days it is hard to see a muslim who is even 10 % of his aqlakh.not claiming that i know much about him,but as much as i know him through some speeches,he would never force anything on people.He used to win the heart and then people would automatically follow him.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

It is better we should keep moonsighting as simple and use naked eye for moonsighting as using technology will cost more so by using traditional methods we can avoid conflict and also extracosts

Mullah/ Molvi still uses glasses to watch moon.

Naked eye? Technology is inevitable.

 

[Yaseen1]

you understand my point of view that glasses not enhance sighting capability above what normal human can see when his eyes are fully functional ,it only help to restore eye side to 6/6 which any healthy human eye can have

Mullah/ Molvi still uses glasses to watch moon.

Naked eye? Technology is inevitable.

 

[criticalerror]

Could not stop thanking your post.i like your post here.Prophet was so loving and gentle.Now a days it is hard to see a muslim who is even 10 % of his aqlakh.not claiming that i know much about him,but as much as i know him through some speeches,he would never force anything on people.He used to win the heart and then people would automatically follow him.

Though you have the right to any opinion, i will remind you that Islam does not “force” anything upon us. But if we are Muslims were are supposed to follow the practices established by Sunnah. We are obligated to follow these practices. The Prophet(PBUH) has left his Sunnah for us to follow since he is not here to directly influence people to follow him. Also I totally agree. Akhlaq and good/kind behaviour was why many people automatically accepted Islam.

 

[The Accountant]

I understand where you are coming from. But to stop false claims of moon sighting, we should stop those people that do so. Do note that the science you pin your hopes on to unite us on this issue will only further serve to divide us. Hence it will be counter productive.

I totally understand your arguments in favour. But i maintain that it is not at our whims to change Sunnah per our own whims and the discoveries of science. If moon sighting were a controversial method, there would be fighting around the world. The only fighting occurs over this in Pakistan. That is enough for you to deduce where the problem lies.

I dont get your argument ... THe sunnah is moon sighting not on the method ... If method of moon sighting is via sceince then whats the problem with that ? Why do these stupid goons use watch and not use method in sunnah for fajar ? WHy dont we have several thousands time of sahar and aftar ?

This is all stupid claims just to keep molvi's relevant ...

 

[shah_123]

So does travel on camels is sunnah.. Why u guys feeling shame to ride on camels???

These types of posts tells us that our people might have got contemporary education but they seriously lack in Islamic education + they argue over Islamic matters as if they hold Phd in theology.

for moon sighting, there's an explicit saying of Prophet Muhammad saw' (modern tech can aid in sighting of the moon).---- Regarding riding on camel, that was a means of transportation in those times.

This is a very simple explanation of things.

 

[VCheng]

Mullah/ Molvi still uses glasses to watch moon.

Naked eye? Technology is inevitable.

What good are glasses when one has cataracts?

 

[criticalerror]

I dont get your argument ... THe sunnah is moon sighting not on the method ... If method of moon sighting is via sceince then whats the problem with that ? Why do these stupid goons use watch and not use method in sunnah for fajar ? WHy dont we have several thousands time of sahar and aftar ?

This is all stupid claims just to keep molvi's relevant ...

The method you are proposing does not involve sighting the moon but rather lunar calculations without physical moon sighting. Is that your argument?

The Sunnah method has been very clearly defined as

1) Physical Moonsighting or Witness testimony

2) completion of 30 days

The above are simple methods still valid today. So would you keep it simple or over complicate this with scientific calculations and what not?

Also note namaz timings are based upon solar timings whereas ramzan start is upon moon / lunar timings. You cant compare the two. Please read discussions on this thread, instead of me answering the same examples over and over again.

Also note , this has nothing to do with Mullahs. It is only for making Sunnah relevant. You can very well study the religion yourself. Stop making your hatred for Mullahs force you to stop following Sunnah.