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[criticalerror]

Guys we are doing the same mistake done by our previous generations ...

Sunnah is to follow the moon and its not about the method of viewing it ... so why do we use binoculars as it facilitates the sighting similarly if we can calculate the moon sighting by computing its movement then i feel it should be fine as we are not breaking the sunah of celebrating eid with new moon but we are just adopting the more accurate of viewing the moon

Sunnah is to follow the Hadeeth about it . I have no idea why simple sighting of the moon is undesirable and scientific methods to replace them are desirable. Calculations are permitted, to assist in determination of Ramzan. Same way as binoculars.

 

[xyxmt]

They are still not simple. Going outside and sighting with the naked eye is still “the simplest” method.

I don't think anyone doubts seeing moon with naked eyes is the simplest. Did Islam required it to be the simplest, a religion which wants you to learn even if you have to walk to China. Did Prophet say go to China to learn but dare not use that learning in your daily life and you must always live like yous forefathers did 1000s years ago.

 

[criticalerror]

Again, open a new thread if you want to discuss that.

This thread is about Sighting of the moon. And I believe both of us have already made clear our point of views. You are advocating literal interpretation of Hadith texts, I have argued otherwise.

Regards.

Sure. I am not opening a thread on whether Hadeeth constitute the Sunnah. This is a fact backed by all schools of thought. It is a basic concept of Islam. That is enough for me.

Have a nice day and subsequent Eid as well. Cheers.

 

[criticalerror]

I don't think anyone doubts seeing moon with naked eyes is the simplest. Did Islam required it to be the simplest, a religion which wants you to learn even if you have to walk to China. Did Prophet say go to China to learn but dare not use that learning in your daily life and you must always live like yous forefathers did 1000s years ago.

My reply was to Agnostic Muslim about the simplest solution. I have discussed the rest of your post at length. Please refer to my discussion. You cannot associate a culture/social/economic/progression issue with religious issues. Travelling on foot has no bearing on religion neither does travelling on an airplane. Moon sighting affects the beginning of Ramzan, an important obligation of RELIGION.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sure. I am not opening a thread on whether Hadeeth constitute the Sunnah. This is a fact backed by all schools of thought. It is a basic concept of Islam. That is enough for me.

Have a nice day and subsequent Eid as well. Cheers.

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion ... And I can respect your opinions, but I disagree
You too Have a nice day and subsequent Eid as well. Cheers.

 

[SQ8]

I wonder if all those suggesting the usage of eyesight for moonsighting under the sunnat justification would also by the same principle abandon automobiles for camels, cellular phones, television and internet for parchment and horseriders.. and toilets for open fields or sand dunes... after all; Sunnah should be implemented in letter,spirit and abandonment of human advances by such logic.

 

[Hiraa]

No one opposes use of technology for everyday life but culture and tradition should be preserved

Eid is a religious festival so it must be decided by the religous scholars, not by some mummy daddy type people on the internet.

have you seen the arabs deciding about eid through religious scholors? Literally anyone in any city can set up camp and send proofs about seeing the moon. If moon is sighted in once city, they declare eid in all country.not just that part of the country.

Us,canada,turkey,australia, nobodies goes to these mullahs like pakistanis do.

 

[SQ8]

have you seen the arabs deciding about eid through religious scholors? Literally anyone in any city can set up camp and send proofs about seeing the moon. If moon is sighted in once city, they declare eid in all country.not just that part of the country.

Us,canada,turkey,australia, nobodies goes to these mullahs like pakistanis do.

Because Pakistanis don’t consider Islam as a personal belief; it comes from majazi khudas

 

[criticalerror]

I wonder if all those suggesting the usage of eyesight for moonsighting under the sunnat justification would also by the same principle abandon automobiles for camels, cellular phones, television and internet for parchment and horseriders.. and toilets for open fields or sand dunes... after all; Sunnah should be implemented in letter,spirit and abandonment of human advances by such logic.

I already explained the invalidity of this example. Travelling in automobiles , cellular phone usage , toilets have no bearing on obligations of the religion. Sighting the moon has a bearing on a religious obligation. You are comparing apples and oranges and using that to further your argument.

 

[Hiraa]

Because Pakistanis don’t consider Islam as a personal belief; it comes from majazi khudas

Rest of the world uses technology to their advantage
Pakistanis: its against the sunnah.

If technology is so evil and against the sunnah, why the GCC is not stuck in their camel-travelling days?

 

[Xeson]

Also it is my opinion that his heart is in the right place about this. His execution leaves alot to be desired.

IK and PTI described as simply as possible lol

 

[criticalerror]

have you seen the arabs deciding about eid through religious scholors? Literally anyone in any city can set up camp and send proofs about seeing the moon. If moon is sighted in once city, they declare eid in all country.not just that part of the country.

Us,canada,turkey,australia, nobodies goes to these mullahs like pakistanis do.

This is part of my point too. Moon sighting has not been proved to be an invalid methodology even in modern times apart from Pakistan, where religion is an egotistical issue rather than a spiritual one.

 

[criticalerror]

Rest of the world uses technology to their advantage
Pakistanis: its against the sunnah.

If technology is so evil and against the sunnah, why the GCC is not stuck in their camel-travelling days?

Technology is used here as well. Even Ruet E Hilal committee uses it.

 

[Hiraa]

Technology is used here as well. Even Ruet E Hilal committee uses it.

By mullahs with huge egos. 1 man brought 22 witnesses from peshawar sighting the moon for ramadan. But mullah sahab din’t see it so his and 22 other people opinion were invalid.

 

[criticalerror]

By mullahs with huge egos. 1 man brought 22 witnesses from peshawar sighting the moon for ramadan. But mullah sahab din’t see it so his and 22 other people opinion were invalid.

I agree. Here the egos ruin everything. I also agree with the Saudi method. Invite witnesses from all over the country and decide at a central point(Ministry of Religious Affairs) . But their system works in the absence of any other sect of notice inside Saudi Arabia.

Also note that both Mufti Muneeb and Popalzai have taken extreme stances on this and have ruined the nation as a result.