Chances of Iran Getting T-50

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[haman10]

so true .

we don't need such planes to bomb the living shit out of our enemies .

 

[Tomyris]

so true .

we don't need such planes to bomb the living shit out of our enemies .

en effet nous n'avons pas besoin de ces avions pour réduire on miette n'importe quel ennemie.

Indeed we do not need these planes to reduce crumb is any enemy.

 

[Siavash]

I was looking for threads with T-50 analysis and I found this one to dig up. I read a lot of problems with T-50 and that the indian investors are not happy with it and its design. What is your opinion about it and should Iran invest in buying T-50 or J-20 from China.

 

[IR-TR]

J-10s from China are plenty, perhaps some J-31s too. No need for the Pak Fa. Nobody even dares to open a war against Iran as is.

 

[Siavash]

J-10s from China are plenty, perhaps some J-31s too. No need for the Pak Fa. Nobody even dares to open a war against Iran as is.

Aren't PAK FA and J-20 or J-31 in same league? Why do you distinguish J-31 over J-20 is there any particular reason? I read once that Chinese consider their J-20 better than PAK FA therefore, they rejected participating in its development. I have worked with Chinese companies, they very much believe in group competition and doing same concept under different design group and they have the resources for it. Something the Russians or nowhere else has. Even in their companies the manager competes with the employee. I believe the J-31 and J-20 may be same concept same goals but they are looking to see which will achieve better performance.
It is interesting to know what the Indian experts on this think as they have real experience with PAK FA concept, any articles or references appreciated.

I agree with J-10B, I think it is a good low cost plane for Iran but I am as always suspicious on Chinese quality and workmanship and especially services and cooperation in design and technology transfer. SInce days in MOD 1998 they were never a trusted partner and you needed to scoop information and always monitor them and be careful they don't cheat you or expand their benefit margin.

Regarding Iran being under attack or not, I agree with you, for the next 15 years we will have limited clashes if any due to the deal but if we have it would be the stealth Israeli aircrafts which despite fighting in our own territory we need low RCS jets to scramble against them or fear being knocked out of the sky before even intercepting any. Same thing that happened to iraqi air force against the Iranian F-14's. Having Russian and Chinese technology radars would not give any edge due to their inferior Radar design (specially on low noise receivers) but at least a low RCS will make up for being detected and local radar illumination will compensate for lower quality Transceivers. So I think Stealth capability is essential for defending the airspace against F-22's and F-35's.

 

[IR-TR]

Aren't PAK FA and J-20 or J-31 in same league? Why do you distinguish J-31 over J-20 is there any particular reason? I read once that Chinese consider their J-20 better than PAK FA therefore, they rejected participating in its development. I have worked with Chinese companies, they very much believe in group competition and doing same concept under different design group and they have the resources for it. Something the Russians or nowhere else has. Even in their companies the manager competes with the employee. I believe the J-31 and J-20 may be same concept same goals but they are looking to see which will achieve better performance.
It is interesting to know what the Indian experts on this think as they have real experience with PAK FA concept, any articles or references appreciated.

I agree with J-10B, I think it is a good low cost plane for Iran but I am as always suspicious on Chinese quality and workmanship and especially services and cooperation in design and technology transfer. SInce days in MOD 1998 they were never a trusted partner and you needed to scoop information and always monitor them and be careful they don't cheat you or expand their benefit margin.

J-31 is like the F-35 while the J-20 is like the F-22. The 20's craft are the higher tier, air superiority, and the 30's aircraft are lower tier, fighter bombers.

I think the Chinese are up there with the best regarding fighter jets. I'd rather buy J-10s than any Rafale or Eurofighter, especially if you factor in the supply chain, politics etc.

 

[Spectre]

It is interesting to know what the Indian experts on this think as they have real experience with PAK FA concept, any articles or references appreciated.

PAK FA is a work in progress, some troubles there but those are being discussed and resolved.

Regarding Chinese planes, I would be wary. In Chinese media no bad news ever comes out.

F-35 has problems, T-50 has them but J-20 and J-31 are perfect and on schedule according to their media.

 

[Siavash]

PAK FA is a work in progress, some troubles there but those are being discussed and resolved.

Regarding Chinese planes, I would be wary. In Chinese media no bad news ever comes out.

F-35 has problems, T-50 has them but J-20 and J-31 are perfect and on schedule according to their media.

Absolutely, that is a part of the culture to save face at any cost. It is hard to get the truth out. I have had first hand experience on this. I wish we don't go for Chinese products or design but there are limited choices for us.Anyway any deal with Chinese needs through verification. Don't know if our MOD is up to the task. When dealing with western companies at least you know what you see is what you get. That is not the case with Russian or Chinese entities.

 

[Spectre]

Absolutely, that is a part of the culture to save face at any cost. It is hard to get the truth out. I have had first hand experience on this. I wish we don't go for Chinese products or design but there are limited choices for us.Anyway any deal with Chinese needs through verification. Don't know if our MOD is up to the task. When dealing with western companies at least you know what you see is what you get. That is not the case with Russian or Chinese entities.

Russian planes can be bought, they are comparatively cheap and their platforms are proven and operational in many countries including China and India where they still perform the front-end strike role.

Western planes are expensive but if you believe quality triumphs I believe French Dassault or Euro-fighter consortium would be receptive to a deal. They really are best options in absence of American Fighters. India preferred them as Americans are unreliable and you never know when they will slap sanctions again.

Russian Flankers like SU-35 are no small thing either, absolute beast and you have good relationship with Russians

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well T-50 os the best that russia can offer and they are fool if they put it on sale for the next 20 year.

By the way rather than the price for airplane I'm more worried about how much it cost to maintain them after all our millitary budget is nothing compared to USA, China, or Russia . As a matter of fact its even less than majority of our neighbour . I doubt our airforce can afford one squadran of airplanes like f22 or t-50 honnestly I even have my doubt about f-35 with current budget.

 

[Siavash]

Well T-50 os the best that russia can offer and they are fool if they put it on sale for the next 20 year.

By the way rather than the price for airplane I'm more worried about how much it cost to maintain them after all our millitary budget is nothing compared to USA, China, or Russia . As a matter of fact its even less than majority of our neighbour . I doubt our airforce can afford one squadron of airplanes like f22 or t-50 honestly I even have my doubt about f-35 with current budget.

That is another issue we never think of or know precisely and that is how much it costs to maintain the fleet. The F-16IQ that Iraq bought cost them 250 million $ which includes maintenance and spare parts. Usually that price for the lifetime of the aircraft or at least for a specific duration comes with the purchase. The F-16 doesn't cost much at all but totally with the maintenance system it becomes very expensive and I believe Russian exporter Oxo bla bla (I forgot the name) has similar system in place so a 50 Million $ aircraft with all the care may cost 150$ or so. Anyway we wouldn't be able to even take a selfie with F-22 or F-35 if leader even insist on it as a redline!

 

[Tomyris]

you made a huge mistake, stop worshiping their western hunter are not perfect, russia forth good combat aircraft and the su-35 and even a beast europe and be impressed by this aircraft
.Algeria possesses of Russian aircraft and are effective.

cooperation between iran and russia and strong, in the 5 years emabrgo will be lifted and t-50 will mie on the market, I think that Iran could have bought 100 150 unit. there may be the financial problem but iran could participate in the project to be the first country bought the pakfa.

I do not know if you was to couran but Avio 5G are moin expensive thatthe previous generation.

aging maintain a fleet like ours and more expensive .. if you put a retirement mid-29 / F-14 / F-4 / F-1 / su-24 to replace the pakfa the price will be greatly reduced .

150 PAKFA su-34 and 36 there will be a repdoutable air force, it will also negotiate detach pieces of maintenance and technology center, then with the Russian experiment was to develop a lightweight 5G fighter like the F-35 and FC-31.

within 5 to 10 years possible

 

[Siavash]

you made a huge mistake, stop worshiping their western hunter are not perfect, russia forth good combat aircraft and the su-35 and even a beast europe and be impressed by this aircraft
.Algeria possesses of Russian aircraft and are effective.

cooperation between iran and russia and strong, in the 5 years emabrgo will be lifted and t-50 will mie on the market, I think that Iran could have bought 100 150 unit. there may be the financial problem but iran could participate in the project to be the first country bought the pakfa.

I do not know if you was to couran but Avio 5G are moin expensive thatthe previous generation.

aging maintain a fleet like ours and more expensive .. if you put a retirement mid-29 / F-14 / F-4 / F-1 / su-24 to replace the pakfa the price will be greatly reduced .

150 PAKFA su-34 and 36 there will be a repdoutable air force, it will also negotiate detach pieces of maintenance and technology center, then with the Russian experiment was to develop a lightweight 5G fighter like the F-35 and FC-31.

within 5 to 10 years possible

Always impresses me how you use the translator so effectively. Sometimes it is hard to read but overall it works well. I used it for Farsi to English and it was horrible. I guess you use it French to English that makes it readable.

I don't fancy western to Russian but I know from RF side Russians can not make low noise receivers as US can and in high precision milling and Quality control they are inferior. That alone makes me not think of PakFa other than a stealth platform but no good interceptor against stealth alone. I am just trying to be realistic. From Stealth alone PAK Fa doesn't match the RCS F-22 has from all sides.

Regarding maintenance cost, I don't think it is an issue. The F-4, F-1, F14 are running on Gods will and the Mig-29 even when all parts replaced is defective by itself so a defective Mig-29 is working up to its standard if you know what I mean

 

[بلندر]

did you know according of this Resolution , UNSC should approve anything that we want to buy ... so if a country like France doesn't want that Russia sell anything to us , she can simply vote against it ...

just what kind of deal this Zarif signed ...