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Chabahar port(iran) may win over gwadar

Maybe India can help Iran and US patch up, it seems unlikely though.

I doubt India can do that. But Pakistan can. Pakistan patched up China with US in 1970's. It was a monumental task since at the time US did not even recognize China and only recognized Taiwan. But Pakistan did it and it benefited both of them. Pakistan can certainly do it now again.
 
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That is because unlike Iran, Pakistan involved itself in U.S. war OF terror which costs Pakistan billions of dollars each year. :agree:
So far we suffered 70 billion dollars from U.S. war OF terror.
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Before U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, our western provinces were peaceful and there was no insurgency or terrorism.
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= Look, I have said many times that US first spread terrorism and then they kill terrorists, rest is rubbish.

First they don’t let you gain on trade side and then they give you aid and then they want you to become their slave in return of the aid they give you.

Destruction of this region started in 80s when US used Pakistan against SU in Afghan and now Pakistan has reached its current state.

(Like, I know I won’t do wrong but if the opposite side is determined to make me wrong so that they may have enough good reasons to do wrong with me, then in this case, I would better fight and don’t let myself go on their hands? As, whats the guarantee that they will not exercise their same techniques on me again, if they may get benefits out of it again?
You will finally have to resist or completely surrender to US. As India was in group of SU during Cold War and used to create enough problems for US, they used to keep Pakistan against India and SU in Afghan. But now they are tackling India and Pakistan in a different way.)

And U.S. is more anti-iran than anti-pakistan. U.S. wants both Pakistan and Iran to be weak, but U.S. is openly talking about the invasion of Iran like Iraq war of 2004. :meeting:

U.S. will not send its troops into Pakistan because Pakistan army communicates with U.S. but Iranian leaders like to provoke the U.S. :lol:

But, Iran is not a slave of US but Pakistan is. Even if Iran don’t have F16s, Orion etc, they do have credible arms they developed by themselves but you don’t. Iran can shoot down drones but you have no option other than to let US do whatever they want to do with Pakistan. On average, one drone attack kills 2 militant and 4 innocent which then make at least 8 more militants. But Iran stands as a country/ a nation and can resist US by whatever means they have, but you can’t.

US couldn’t dare to attack Iran till now but do whatever they want to do with Pakistan. Just have a look on 26/11 2011, without any proposal in UN, no need of any voting that China may use veto in favor of Pakistan, NATO Helicopters straight entered in Pakistan and did whatever they wanted. Drone attacks are now going to score much more than in past and at the same time US will build pressure for ‘Peaceful solution' of Baluchistan in a 'Democratic way’. US will not send troops into Pakistan as they are already doing whatever they want there...............

Unfortunately, U.S. still decides the fate of the countries in our region. Asia is not strong and united as Europe. :meeting:
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By the way, have a Soviet Union flag? Soviet Union is dead and will never come back
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SU has backed, you just have to realized it. Russia is now as firm against US as they were in Cold War time. More the sanctions Iran is facing, more India is importing oil from there and has become its largest importer by last month. Not just Belarus and Kazakhstan, but most of the other former SU states now realize importance of Eurasia and their former allies like India, Vietnam, Syria, with Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand bla bla.

US+West want to Rule the world and others don’t want them to, And, more the US will push, more there will be unity against US. :tup:
 
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True. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. We have no disputes and no rivalry. India is trying to create a rivalry between Iran and Pakistan. And at the same time India serves U.S. interests in the region. Pakistan doesn't want U.S. and Zionists to invade Iran. Pakistan learned its lesson from helping U.S. in their Afghanistan war.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...but-support-iran-if-israel-attacks-wajid.html



India is not doing anything....the differences between all muslim countries comes down to Sunni/Shia isues and wealth....plain and simple....you make it seem like its the US, INDia,Israel, etc.....its nobody's fault but your own .....its much easier to blame outsiders than acknowledge the blame is due to your ppl...wake up
 
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BTW Did U Guys Know That Upto 1965 Chahbahar was a Part of Pakistan.Pakistan Virtually Controlled The Opening of Strait of Hormuz to Arabian Sea and Thus World Markets.Then Our 'Highly Patiotic Rulers' Gave It To Iran on Occasion of Shah Reza Pahlavi's Birthday
 
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BTW Did U Guys Know That Upto 1965 Chahbahar was a Part of Pakistan.Pakistan Virtually Controlled The Opening of Strait of Hormuz to Arabian Sea and Thus World Markets.Then Our 'Highly Patiotic Rulers' Gave It To Iran on Occasion of Shah Reza Pahlavi's Birthday
but taht is no problem, we consider iran as brother country, they help us in gawadar.
 
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BTW Did U Guys Know That Upto 1965 Chahbahar was a Part of Pakistan.Pakistan Virtually Controlled The Opening of Strait of Hormuz to Arabian Sea and Thus World Markets.Then Our 'Highly Patiotic Rulers' Gave It To Iran on Occasion of Shah Reza Pahlavi's Birthday

that isnt a surprise, we have history of gifting lands to india and china

gifted some land to china to settle the land dispute in 1962
gifted some pieces of siachen to india in 1980s

and now im hearing this
 
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BTW Did U Guys Know That Upto 1965 Chahbahar was a Part of Pakistan.Pakistan Virtually Controlled The Opening of Strait of Hormuz to Arabian Sea and Thus World Markets.Then Our 'Highly Patiotic Rulers' Gave It To Iran on Occasion of Shah Reza Pahlavi's Birthday

According to this we exchanged territory in 58. Neither side really gained anything. And it wasn't Chahbahar. We got that from Oman in the 1800's.

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The Area of Zahidan Mir Java Upto Chahbahar Was a Very Strategic Area and We Just Gave It to Iran
@Abii Can You Give Me The Source I Need To Look into This Further Because I Read Something Else
 
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I wonder because in 1958 Pakistan purchased Gwadar from Omman
On 8 September 1958, Pakistan purchased the Gwadar enclave from Oman for $3 million. Gwadar officially became part of Pakistan on 8 December 1958. At the time, Gwadar was a small and underdeveloped fishing village with a population of a few thousand.
About Zahedan I think it was a small willage in Iran in 1930 (small to the extent that when
Reza- shah wanted to go and visit it they have gone to Karachi to buy less than 10 oil lamp
to lighten the streets in nights).

by the way I have a question
is it true that Pakistan rail road is not compatible with the international Railroads ?
I ask it because Zahedan Mirjave rail road is Connected to Pakistan railroad but we have
a Break of Gauge station and Transloading Station at Zahedan.
I Know Iran Rail Road is standard and Train from rest of the world cann travel in it so if
Pakistan Rail road is wider it can be a negative point for Gwaddar.
 
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BTW Did U Guys Know That Upto 1965 Chahbahar was a Part of Pakistan.Pakistan Virtually Controlled The Opening of Strait of Hormuz to Arabian Sea and Thus World Markets.Then Our 'Highly Patiotic Rulers' Gave It To Iran on Occasion of Shah Reza Pahlavi's Birthday
If you look at the map above,you will see that a relatively large area of Pakistan's Baluchistan belonged to Iran in 19th century and i also haven't heard anything that Iran has bought Chabahar from Pakistan.
 
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