Chabahar port(iran) may win over gwadar

[SOHEIL]

iran is more stable than pak ...

 

[God of Death]

iran is more stable than pak ...

Its a reality and Iran will be a developed country very soon.

 

[Omar1984]

iran is more stable than pak ...

That is good for Iran. Pakistan and Iran are friends and don't let Hindus and other kuffar divide us Muslims. Zionists also want Muslims to fight with each other.

Listen to your leader:

As for Gwadar vs Chabahar. China invested billions of dollars in Gwadar, and India invested in Chabahar. Pakistan shares a border with Iran and China so the quickest way for the oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia to go to China is through Gwadar. India will probably use Chabahar because India hates Pakistan and wants nothing good for Pakistan, but even if this Gwadar port serves China that will be good for Pakistan's economy. Both Chabahar and Gwadar Ports can serve Central Asian countries including Afghanistan. We don't need to fight over Central Asia, we should work with each other. Look how well Europe and North America work well with each other. Why do we Asians fight so much?

 

[longbrained]

^^^^ That is what people do not understand here. Iran offered to supply Gwader with electricity 24/7 since it was not connected with Pakistan's national grid and putting down a grid to Gwader was very expensive and a power plant was also an expensive option since it would have been a thermal one since there is no hydel generation there as it is a dry area and the thermal station burning oil for electricity would have been again too expensive. They have also offered to put an oil pipe line there and also build a refinery in Gwader besides a railway going straight from Gwader to Chahbahar. It is not rivalry. It is healthy business competition.

 

[Omar1984]

Just have a look on the growth rate of Pakistan for last 5 years. It’s average growth rate was below 3% for last 5 years and growth rate of population was higher than its GDP growth, then what politicians wants to do with Pakistan? this much poor growth rate of Pakistan, a developin country? while law and order situation there is worse right now? almost every one is corrupt and target killing/ kidnapping with continuous human rights violation, with that, almost everyone of politics/ military bosses, including many in Judiciary have their loyalty for those who are based in West? Better lease it to CHina who may lift Pakistan up. Have a look on Tibet, even if Tibetans don’t want to be in China, can they refuse to accept that it is China only why they are now this much richer? Same will be true for Pakistan. fall of AAA simply means Pakistan needs a ‘complete change’, and how, they have to find out.

but from my side, I would like to advise Pakistan to learn more from Kazakhstan and Malaysia. Pakistan needs to move north and east, not West

That is because unlike Iran, Pakistan involved itself in U.S. war OF terror which costs Pakistan billions of dollars each year. So far we suffered 70 billion dollars from U.S. war OF terror. Before U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, our western provinces were peaceful and there was no insurgency or terrorism.

And U.S. is more anti-iran than anti-pakistan. U.S. wants both Pakistan and Iran to be weak, but U.S. is openly talking about the invasion of Iran like Iraq war of 2004. U.S. will not send its troops into Pakistan because Pakistan army communicates with U.S. but Iranian leaders like to provoke the U.S.

Unfortunately, U.S. still decides the fate of the countries in our region. Asia is not strong and united as Europe.

By the way, have a Soviet Union flag? Soviet Union is dead and will never come back thanks to Pakistan and Mujahideen from across the world.

 

[Arian]

I believe there must be more cooperation and trade deals between Chabahar and Gwadar to make this competition a healthy friendly one. We are not rivals, but friends, and only our economic interests make Chabahar and Gwadar as competitors.

 

[Omar1984]

I believe there must be more cooperation and trade deals between Chabahar and Gwadar to make this competition a healthy friendly one. We are not rivals, but friends, and only our economic interests make Chabahar and Gwadar as competitors.

True. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. We have no disputes and no rivalry. India is trying to create a rivalry between Iran and Pakistan. And at the same time India serves U.S. interests in the region. Pakistan doesn't want U.S. and Zionists to invade Iran. Pakistan learned its lesson from helping U.S. in their Afghanistan war.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...but-support-iran-if-israel-attacks-wajid.html

 

[longbrained]

True. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. We have no disputes and no rivalry. India is trying to create a rivalry between Iran and Pakistan. And at the same time India serves U.S. interests in the region. Pakistan doesn't want U.S. and Zionists to invade Iran. Pakistan learned its lesson from helping U.S. in their Afghanistan war.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...but-support-iran-if-israel-attacks-wajid.html

Actually I think the grand plan here is to make Pakistani and Iranian Baluchistan into a country by destabilizing the region and now there is even talks of human rights violations in US about it. They want to create a new route to Afghanistan and put away Iran and Pakistan forever. Both Iran and Pakistan must work together to defeat this one.

 

[Omar1984]

Actually I think the grand plan here is to make Pakistani and Iranian Baluchistan into a country by destabilizing the region and now there is even talks of human rights violations in US about it. They want to create a new route to Afghanistan and put away Iran and Pakistan forever. Both Iran and Pakistan must work together to defeat this one.

Iran and Pakistan have more mutual interests in the region, but kuffar countries are doing what they have been doing for the past 200 years and that is make Muslim nations fight with each other.

However, Iranian leaders are very intelligent and they know the game of the west.

 

[user1]

Neither there is any industrialization of Pakistan nor it looks like in near future.

Hello_10

Industry in India = 26.5%
Industry in Pakistan = 25.3%

Not much of a difference here. It will get only better once US gets evacuated out of Afghanistan.

Just a look at the world map would tell that the best route from Western China to open seas is through Gwadar, Pakistan. This can be useful for import of oil/gas or raw materials and export of manufactured goods to Asian, European and American markets.

On the other hand, Chah Bah is a better choice for Central Asian states when they want to trade with the world as Iran lies in proximity than the Pakistan for most of them, except for Tajikistan.

When the trade highways are built every country will choose the port best suited to it's need and by the looks of the progress we see:

1. Construction of Gwadar port
2. Makran Coastal Highway
3. Gwadar - Ratodero Motroway (>70% complete)
4. Upgradation of Karakoram Highway (Lots of Chinese Engineers in the area)
5. Invitation of Chinese authorities (to Pakistani Business Community) to invest in Western China
6. Planning of building a rail-route to Pakistan

It is obvious that the China has already decided which one of the two is the port of it's choice.

 

[Desert Fox]

Its a reality and Iran will be a developed country very soon.

And you want to know what else is a reality? India is an ally of israel, india maintains very strong relations with the USA and in fact supports the occupation of Afghanistan, which by the way, is against Iran's long term strategic interests in the region.

 

[Hulk]

And you want to know what else is a reality? India is an ally of israel, india maintains very strong relations with the USA and in fact supports the occupation of Afghanistan, which by the way, is against Iran's long term strategic interests in the region.

Well we have learned to balance keeping relations with all, I congratulate India for doing that, we know for sure that friendship between nations are different than that between humans. Something every diplomat should know.

 

[Moorkh]

Considering how hellbent US is on not letting Iran develop, i dont see chah bahar trumping gwadar any time soon.

maybe if US decides to go after pakistan instead. but lets hope that US doesnt do that. till then gwadar is gonna get more trade than its competitor

 

[Desert Fox]

Well we have learned to balance keeping relations with all, I congratulate India for doing that, we know for sure that friendship between nations are different than that between humans. Something every diplomat should know.

But for how long will you keep the "balance"? You can't have everything both ways. If israelis plan to strike Iranian targets, will india support Iran? I highly doubt it, especially when taking into consideration the close indo-israeli ties when it comes to regional issues.

 

[Hulk]

Considering how hellbent US is on not letting Iran develop, i dont see chah bahar trumping gwadar any time soon.

maybe if US decides to go after pakistan instead. but lets hope that US doesnt do that. till then gwadar is gonna get more trade than its competitor

Maybe India can help Iran and US patch up, it seems unlikely though.