Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Path-Finder]

Even more we need Pak to recognise they are stuck with Mirages and then engage Denel dynamic for a proposal. We have done a lot of discussions and they show up time to time to sign up various agreements but never follow through.

I think Pakistan is more involved with making cruise missile with SA help then aircraft as it appears. Among PGM's too.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/babur-cruise-missile-database.185609/page-29#post-11789128

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Even more we need Pak to recognise they are stuck with Mirages and then engage Denel dynamic for a proposal. We have done a lot of discussions and they show up time to time to sign up various agreements but never follow through.

Will these upgrades will make them BVR capable???

 

[denel]

I think Pakistan is more involved with making cruise missile with SA help then aircraft as it appears. Among PGM's too.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/babur-cruise-missile-database.185609/page-29#post-11789128

Yes those are kept silent. There is sensitivity around strategic avenues.

 

[Deltadart]

Even more we need Pak to recognise they are stuck with Mirages and then engage Denel dynamic for a proposal. We have done a lot of discussions and they show up time to time to sign up various agreements but never follow through.

I had no idea that denel dynamics has already tried that route. Then all I can say is that it is pathetic and diaguisting that PAF would just sit idle and let Indians dominate the air with their new acquisitions. It seems like they are content with that outcome.
If anything on feb 27th, the mirages accomplished the most dangerous missions successfully. In light of that PAF should value their mirages more and do what we have been discussing here.

 

[CHI RULES]

Will these upgrades will make them BVR capable???

The coming Mirage Horus have radar range of 100 KM against fighter jets and are capable to deploy various modern BVRs. There are rumors that perhaps even Mirage rose were armed with SA BVRs.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

The coming Mirage Horus have radar range of 100 KM against fighter jets and are capable to deploy various modern BVRs. There are rumors that perhaps even Mirage rose were armed with SA BVRs.

Well if we upgrade all of our Mirages to BVR capable then it will be a huge accomplishment and a big boost to PAF.
Why can't we take Mirage air frame and accommodate it to our needs???
@denel @Quwa @Signalian @messiach @Dazzler

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Dear @araz I just pointed out what I think is the weakest link in this hypothetical initiative. The size of the radar matters and it could be the limiting factor in this case. All else falls in place.

If I allow myself to be greedy, I would go for incorporation of the composite-made slats with radar absorbent materials to reduce the RCS; and while doing this, explore the possibility of DSI. But then all this costs money, time, & requires resources that may be spent elsewhere for greater returns.

Surely in modern times, some company out there has manufactured a radar which could fit in Mirage

The odd difference in Mirages at Nose, is, of course, visible so I would imagine size is limited
However, I think with some engineering and Innovation the nose can be adjusted to fit a modern Generation radar

However if, we wanted to modernize the fleet of 150 jets (mirage fleet ....)
we could create a separate tender for radar just for mirage fleet's need

Much cheaper to just get new radar which fits vs replacing 150 planes



Gripen's radar for comparison

Grifo-E appears a very tidy small radar (AESA)

 

[denel]

Will these upgrades will make them BVR capable???

Surely in modern times, some company out there has manufactured a radar which could fit in Mirage

The odd difference in Mirages at Nose, is, of course, visible so I would imagine size is limited
However, I think with some engineering and Innovation the nose can be adjusted to fit a modern Generation radar

However if, we wanted to modernize the fleet of 150 jets (mirage fleet ....)
we could create a separate tender for radar just for mirage fleet's need

Much cheaper to just get new radar which fits vs replacing 150 planes



Gripen's radar for comparison

Grifo-E appears a very tidy small radar (AESA)

Look carefully at the M3's - you answered your own question - that nose cone is a modified that carries Grifo-M radar. We mod'd ours to carry the Elta one.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Even more we need Pak to recognise they are stuck with Mirages and then engage Denel dynamic for a proposal. We have done a lot of discussions and they show up time to time to sign up various agreements but never follow through.

So PAF is that kind of women who will ask salesman to show everything line them up on counter and say I will comeback.

 

[Deltadart]

So PAF is that kind of women who will ask salesman to show everything line them up on counter and say I will comeback.

Yes, a lady in waiting for her perfect husband (f16s) to come back, and the old prospect who is always availabe for getting married (mirages) is ignored..

 

[Quwa]

So PAF is that kind of women who will ask salesman to show everything line them up on counter and say I will comeback.

tbh that's the behavior of many Pakistani uncles... walks in to negotiate for a Merc/BMW, walks out to sign the deal for a Corolla. The Mirage is like the old 86 that is really cool to those who know what it's about.

 

[jupiter2007]

Unfortunately Pakistani can build the frame for mirage....with newer frame and better avionics/Radar, Mirage can challenge any 3.5 generation fighter.

 

[denel]

tbh that's the behavior of many Pakistani uncles... walks in to negotiate for a Merc/BMW, walks out to sign the deal for a Corolla. The Mirage is like the old 86 that is really cool to those who know what it's about.

Yes these uncle papas forget that Corollas are poor mans's mercedes. they just keep going right .

My corolla has over 450k on the clock and no complaints. keeps going and going. 21yrs in and never stopped. Hilux is over 700k plus 2 clutches replaced. For farm use i rely on 2 Samil surplus trucks for cattle transports.

 

[BRAVO_]

tbh that's the behavior of many Pakistani uncles... walks in to negotiate for a Merc/BMW, walks out to sign the deal for a Corolla. The Mirage is like the old 86 that is really cool to those who know what it's about.

100% agreed ... for years we listened indian media keep praising about their Mig-21s, they upgraded it time by time with the help of Israel and Russia but when it appeared in front of opponent it bring humiliation for entire nation, in its own time in 19th century Mirage was a good aircraft but its time is over let it be retire with honor and dignity

 

[Quwa]

100% agreed ... for years we listened indian media keep praising about their Mig-21s, they upgraded it time by time with the help of Israel and Russia but when it appeared in front of opponent it bring humiliation for entire nation, in its own time in 19th century Mirage was a good aircraft but its time is over let it be retire with honor and dignity

I'd say the difference is that the folks asking for a Mirage reframe want an extra few squadrons of SOW carriers. So, attack distant targets from well within Pakistani borders, don't cross them. For that role a refresh is a good idea. It'll free up the JF-17s for air-to-air, which makes accessing Pakistani airspace tougher.