Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[SQ8]

I do concur, this appears to be heading in the direction of Mirage IV which had the sole role for deep strike.

Id compare it to the role the Cheetah D had; focused on strike missions.
Although the Cheetah was a far more extensive change than the ROSE upgrade.

A bit of unconfirmed but generally corroborated(oxymoron) history of the 90s has folks coming over in Pakistan to essentially replicate what they had in the Cheetah for raptor the Mirage-III DP and VD here along with the H-2 program.

They apparently dropped in the same setup they had for the Cheetah in the backseat.

Suffice to say..
Ive seen a few and there have many springboks sighted roaming around in certain development complexes in Pakistan over the last 20-25 years

 

[denel]

Id compare it to the role the Cheetah D had; focused on strike missions.
Although the Cheetah was a far more extensive change than the ROSE upgrade.

A bit of unconfirmed but generally corroborated(oxymoron) history of the 90s has folks coming over in Pakistan to essentially replicate what they had in the Cheetah for raptor the Mirage-III DP and VD here along with the H-2 program.

They apparently dropped in the same setup they had for the Cheetah in the backseat.

Suffice to say..
Ive seen a few and there have many springboks sighted roaming around in certain development complexes in Pakistan over the last 20-25 years

You took words out of my mouth. We were trying to get the buccaneers taken out of regular roles and they were specifically for deep strike if needed and Cheetah D were to handle the rest of the missions.
Cheetah had major changes in it and a lot moved over from the Lavi project; many key technologies were much ahead of their time and definitely as you put it ahead of ROSE program. ROSE saw a lot of learnings and Atlas personnel working to make IFR, radio comms, Raptor etc; a very close cloning where possible except for the deltas/hms and many others which could not be brought across.

indeed cheetahs love springboks

 

[Windjammer]

 

[SQ8]

You took words out of my mouth. We were trying to get the buccaneers taken out of regular roles and they were specifically for deep strike if needed and Cheetah D were to handle the rest of the missions.
Cheetah had major changes in it and a lot moved over from the Lavi project; many key technologies were much ahead of their time and definitely as you put it ahead of ROSE program. ROSE saw a lot of learnings and Atlas personnel working to make IFR, radio comms, Raptor etc; a very close cloning where possible except for the deltas/hms and many others which could not be brought across.

indeed cheetahs love springboks

Which is why when the ROSE mirages are derided as obsolete I always caution to not underestimate their ability to put ordanance on target with precision and accuracy. They were the original test beds for Pakistan for everything tinkered at home.

 

[messiach]

Correct, specially rose2. Little credit should go to Musaf Mir team.

They were the original test beds for Pakistan for everything tinkered at home.

 

[SQ8]

Correct, specially rose2. Little credit should go to Musaf Mir team.

That team was the cream of the PAF from the past 20 years; it a loss few can comprehend

Some of the assertiveness that @MastanKhan gripes about was lost because a Fokker pilot wanted to show off to the Chief

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

That team was the cream of the PAF from the past 20 years; it a loss few can comprehend

Some of the assertiveness that @MastanKhan gripes about was lost because a Fokker pilot wanted to show off to the Chief

It's a huge shame. Even after retirement, the likes of Mushaf Ali Mir might have still been useful for stewarding initiatives such as Kamra Aviation City, AvDI and others.

 

[Torbat Khan]

these bird had their days but its time to focus on jft

 

[Dazzler]

The mere integration of Raptor 1 and 2 in ROSE mirages proves how deeply the South Africans were involved in the program.

Regarding Atlas Cheetah, at least 4 cheetah aircraft made their way to Pakistan in early 2000s.

 

[Incog_nito]

When PAF is going to retire Mirage-III-V?

 

[denel]

The mere integration of Raptor 1 and 2 in ROSE mirages proves how deeply the South Africans were involved in the program.

Regarding Atlas Cheetah, at least 4 cheetah aircraft made their way to Pakistan in early 2000s.

Yes, they were deeply involved. I am not sure if aircraft made the way there. Someone would have caught a shot of them.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Yes, they were deeply involved. I am not sure if aircraft made the way there. Someone would have caught a shot of them.

The PAF bought several Cheetahs, but for the wings and other parts (in order to rebuild frames for the ROSE II or III).

 

[messiach]

Concur.

Id compare it to the role the Cheetah D had; focused on strike missions.
Although the Cheetah was a far more extensive change than the ROSE upgrade.

A bit of unconfirmed but generally corroborated(oxymoron) history of the 90s has folks coming over in Pakistan to essentially replicate what they had in the Cheetah for raptor the Mirage-III DP and VD here along with the H-2 program.

They apparently dropped in the same setup they had for the Cheetah in the backseat.

Suffice to say..
Ive seen a few and there have many springboks sighted roaming around in certain development complexes in Pakistan over the last 20-25 years

 

[khanasifm]

Can you Id the sqn patch of pilots ?

Last raad launch Chinese media stated it was from jf-17 as launch platform but ispr nor PAC disclosed anything unlike previous launches where mirage was disclosed as launch platform nor the video showed the launch platform

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

#9 Griffins most likely.