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Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

Should Pakistan upgrade its Mirages to South African Cheetah standard if not Beyond?

  • Yes

    Votes: 181 59.0%
  • No

    Votes: 126 41.0%

  • Total voters
    307
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Why not PAC work with Dassault and covert them into strike UCAVs? This will open doors for Dassault to convert other aircraft into such machines & keep the pilots to just new aircraft.

Possible Aircraft can be:
  • Mirage III
  • Mirage V
  • Mirage F1s
  • Jaguars
  • Tornadoes
  • F-5s
  • F-4

And maybe some new aircrafts like:

  • Mirage-2000s
  • F-15s A/B/C/D
  • F-16s A/B
  • F-18s A/B/C/D
 
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Why not PAC work with Dassault and covert them into strike UCAVs? This will open doors for Dassault to convert other aircraft into such machines & keep the pilots to just new aircraft.

Possible Aircraft can be:
  • Mirage III
  • Mirage V
  • Mirage F1s
  • Jaguars
  • Tornadoes
  • F-5s
  • F-4

And maybe some new aircrafts like:

  • Mirage-2000s
  • F-15s A/B/C/D
  • F-16s A/B
  • F-18s A/B/C/D
Running cost of these fighters is too high to convert them into UCAV. Furthermore conversion itself will cost alot as these aircrafts are all hydraulic with turbo jet engines
 
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Why not PAC work with Dassault and covert them into strike UCAVs? This will open doors for Dassault to convert other aircraft into such machines & keep the pilots to just new aircraft.

Possible Aircraft can be:
  • Mirage III
  • Mirage V
  • Mirage F1s
  • Jaguars
  • Tornadoes
  • F-5s
  • F-4

And maybe some new aircrafts like:

  • Mirage-2000s
  • F-15s A/B/C/D
  • F-16s A/B
  • F-18s A/B/C/D
You can get far better results with new platforms designed from scratch with UAV in mind vs using old platforms.
 
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You can get far better results with new platforms designed from scratch with UAV in mind vs using old platforms.
Hi denel is it possible to fit jf17 Russian engines in these Mirages if need arise in future
If yes will that fitting give these fighters any extra punch or more hard points etc
If possible to answer
Thank you
 
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Hi denel is it possible to fit jf17 Russian engines in these Mirages if need arise in future
If yes will that fitting give these fighters any extra punch or more hard points etc
If possible to answer
Thank you
Changing fighter aircraft is a complicated process. Not worth with the 50 years old airframes. Why u want to use mirrages when thunders r available ?
 
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Changing fighter aircraft is a complicated process. Not worth with the 50 years old airframes. Why u want to use mirrages when thunders r available ?
some people think mirages are more suitable for strike

i disagree..today its an era of small diameter bombs and hexagonal launchers per hard point.
a jf 17 with three fuel fuel pods and two hardpoints for 1000kg each capacity/2000kg is a better option then pushing mirages beyond their useful life

given jf17s are multirole and can quickly adapt to different need
 
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Hi denel is it possible to fit jf17 Russian engines in these Mirages if need arise in future
If yes will that fitting give these fighters any extra punch or more hard points etc
If possible to answer
Thank you
Yes you can but there is airframe refitment needed plus center of gravity changes significantly. If you want best bang for money - use Atar-9K.
 
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some people think mirages are more suitable for strike

i disagree..today its an era of small diameter bombs and hexagonal launchers per hard point.
a jf 17 with three fuel fuel pods and two hardpoints for 1000kg each capacity/2000kg is a better option then pushing mirages beyond their useful life

given jf17s are multirole and can quickly adapt to different need
The Mirages are key for the H-2/H-4 and Ra'ad ALCM. However, the need for Mirage has more to do with the design of those munitions than anything inherently good about the Mirage III/5.

I think the Raptor III (the evolution of the H-2/H-4, which are Raptor-I/II) and Ra'ad II should be able to fit under the wings of the JF-17. In my view, the Mirages will go once we qualify the JF-17 for full SOW deployment.

In fact, we'll need to move towards compact SOW design anyways. There's no other way to feasibly configure a FGFA for long-range strike (especially if we want to use internal bays).

Denel Raptor III
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Ra'ad II
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However, the need for Mirage has more to do with the design of those munitions than anything inherently good about the Mirage III/5.
...and the fact that AWC knows the Mirage inside-out and can integrate munitions to their heart's desire (without having to deal some sneaky flight control system).
 
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