Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[araz]

As an insider since last 13 Years I think I can clarify many matters the issue of Fauji Foundation was brought on thread so came in to clear matters not to offend anybody or change opinions. The individual acts do not count in business world overall the group is in profitability so one may assume that it is still run by capable persons.

Thank you very much for your informative posts. I also thank you in the way you have conducted your selves. I agree that this is a thread dedicated to Mirage fighter jets of PAF and not to the fauji foundation. Therefore can we all remember to keep on topic please.
On to Mirage 3/5 the burning questions are:
A what is happening to the EAF Horus Mirages. Have they been handed over. How many will be activated to PAF current assetts?
B. What local avionics upgrades have been carried out on the PAF M3/5s?
A response on thise would be appreciated

 

[Code_Geass]

As long as they are not hurting competition in the industries they operate in i m okay

One of my former students ended up in the top management of Fauji Foundation. And you were saying...
Armies job is to fight. They get a pension they should be like all other Pakistanis finding employment based on merit.
Not turn the armed forces into a conglomerate of business enterprises. These organisations are poorly run... Anyways we have gone off topic so I will end here.

 

[LKJ86]

Look at the picture of the technician; the clearance shows how large this platform is.

The size of JH-7A is close to J-11B.

 

[Armchair]

As an insider since last 13 Years I think I can clarify many matters the issue of Fauji Foundation was brought on thread so came in to clear matters not to offend anybody or change opinions. The individual acts do not count in business world overall the group is in profitability so one may assume that it is still run by capable persons.

It is misuse of scarce resources of the country to run incompetent organisations. If you were honest with your 13 Years of experience, you would have been the first person to point these out and not tried to shut me up.

@araz I expect more balanced contribution from you. I now understand why you don't get along with MastanKhan

Sir, please don't comment on matters you don't know correctly

Now, let us see this statement of yours... I say it is condescending and dishonest. This is the 3rd time @araz shows up in a situation like that and acts like he is a mod, siding on the side that is full of BS.

Yes, now we will go back to the topic.

 

[araz]

It is misuse of scarce resources of the country to run incompetent organisations. If you were honest with your 13 Years of experience, you would have been the first person to point these out and not tried to shut me up.

@araz I expect more balanced contribution from you. I now understand why you don't get along with MastanKhan


Now, let us see this statement of yours... I say it is condescending and dishonest. This is the 3rd time @araz shows up in a situation like that and acts like he is a mod, siding on the side that is full of BS.

Yes, now we will go back to the topic.

Bhai.
There is nothing disbalanced about my post. All that I ask is that you continue the discussion in the relevant topic. The reason for complimenting his post was the civilized manner in which he had responded to the post form another poster. This thread is about M3/5s so discuss M3/5s here. If you want to discuss Fauji foundation do so in a separate thread which you are free to open.
As to me stepping in I have that right as a TT to request people to stick to the topic at hand. You seem to have a grudge against me and if you do please come on to PM and we can resolve it there. I dont intend to wash dirty laundry in open public threads for a matter which appears to be between 2 people. My dispute with Mastan Khan is a separate issue and again it remains between me and Mastan khan. I have no desire to open up and talk about it to you or indeed anyone else. If Mastan Khan wants to resolve it he is more than welcome to PM me although our issue has nothing of substance to it.
Now that I have clarified the situation it is upto you to act on it. Otherwise please put me on your ignore list and move on.
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The size of JH-7A is close to J-11B.
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[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Can you please explain the relevance of this post to the thread at hand?
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I think it's the side-discussion re: a potential Mirage III/5 replacement. As @MastanKhan brought up from the very start (here's ur credit man), the JH-7A is basically the only fighter-bomber solution available to the PAF in as far as lobbing big SOWs (H-2, H-4s, Ra'ad, Ra'ad II, and Mk. 84-based REKs) is concerned.

And, to be honest, he's right -- if doubling down on more JF-17s is the only route, then why not shore-up the heavyweight stuff using the JH-7A while using JF-17s as escorts/support fighters?

 

[MastanKhan]

I think it's the side-discussion re: a potential Mirage III/5 replacement. As @MastanKhan brought up from the very start (here's ur credit man), the JH-7A is basically the only fighter-bomber solution available to the PAF in as far as lobbing big SOWs (H-2, H-4s, Ra'ad, Ra'ad II, and Mk. 84-based REKs) is concerned.

And, to be honest, he's right -- if doubling down on more JF-17s is the only route, then why not shore-up the heavyweight stuff using the JH-7A while using JF-17s as escorts/support fighters?

Hi,

Thank you---there is no other way and nothing else available---.

Add to that CM400AKG---Babur cruise missile---and every other weapon with around 11-1200 KG weight range---.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

Thank you---there is no other way and nothing else available---.

Add to that CM400AKG---Babur cruise missile---and every other weapon with around 11-1200 KG weight range---.

A known enemy is better than an unknown friend!!! Here, it’s about a known friend vs an unknown enemy...

A Dana-dar Dushman is better than a Na-dan Dost!!! Here, it’s Dana-dar Dost vs Na-dan Dushman....

 

[Arsalan]

Continue with discussion regarding JH7 and its utility for PAF on the following thread:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/utility-of-jh7-for-paf.632111/

 

[jupiter2007]

Continue with discussion regarding JH7 and its utility for PAF on the following thread:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/utility-of-jh7-for-paf.632111/

We are not getting JH-7. What’s the point of discussing it? We aren’t getting anything in near future. Whole focus is on Jf-17 block 3

 

[messiach]

The size of JH-7A is close to J-11B.
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@MastanKhan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) Thats a 16-19t giant from spratley islands, underpowered by series-9 engines & before by r-r twin spey. The last one i saw had no better terrain hugging capability then what we had. These radar-discreate creatures would be difficult to defend against susraeli A2A weapons. Its carriage capacity of YJ12 & ELiNT is a credit - useful feature. Before BOTS look to see what capacity enhancement it can bring versus what we have versus short and longterm line maintenance costs.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) Thats a 16-19t giant from spratley islands, underpowered by series-9 engines & before by r-r twin spey. The last one i saw had no better terrain hugging capability then what we had. These radar-discreate creatures would be difficult to defend against susraeli A2A weapons. Its carriage capacity of YJ12 & ELiNT is a credit - useful feature. Before BOTS look to see what capacity enhancement it can bring versus what we have versus short and longterm line maintenance costs.

Hi,

So---where would the israeli AA weapons be placed on the ocean to target this aircraft---if it flies from Pasni---goes straight down staying 400-500 miles parallel from indian coastline---dash in to standoff distance at the desired target---launch its load and dash back---.

You are the smartest one here---tell me which SA missile can reach this aircraft from the coastline---.

Please also share which AWAC can find a sea skimming aircraft at 250 miles range---.

 

[Arsalan]

We are not getting JH-7. What’s the point of discussing it? We aren’t getting anything in near future. Whole focus is on Jf-17 block 3

The discussion is not about PAF GETTING the plan but its utility for PAF.

I do agree that there is absolutely no chance of getting JH-7 in foreseeable future.

 

[khanasifm]

I am sure Paf had evaluated all Chinese options and would have gone for it if it met the air staff requirements

 

[messiach]

Onboard indian MKI.

Hi,
So---where would the israeli AA weapons be placed on the ocean to target this aircraft---if it flies from Pasni---goes straight down staying 400-500 miles parallel from indian coastline---dash in to standoff distance at the desired target---launch its load and dash back---.

@Tps43

Please also share which AWAC can find a sea skimming aircraft at 250 miles range

No more smart - getting upto 60.

You are the smartest one here
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