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"F-2 or project Dassault 45 was a french project of making a light weight fighter aircraft to counter the continuous threats of Soviet based aircrafts which were gaining huge reputation in market but due to some technical problems the project went into the favour of mirage-2000 and the project Dassault 45 was sold secretly to India at a cost of 600million which made the basis of LCA"
Now this report is as true as the report for jf-17 regarding mikyoun 33 or whatever
n indian members dun dare to ask me that wat are the proves i have and dun dare to ask me to provide the pics of Dassault45 project as you yourself are argueing on jf-17 as a russian design and romanian design without these basis and proves
Is this why some people (in Indian defence forums) refer to JF-17 as upgraded Mig-21 plane??
What is with you people reading anything and believing everything?
The only thing that remains common between LFI and JF-17 is that they are intended for the same purpose, and that is Light Frontline Fighter.
Today as it stand, there is zero contribution by Russia except the engine (which is paid for).
Service activities include complete maintenance support and pilot training; is also involved in Chinese Chengdu FC-1 fighter programme,
The JF-17 was presented for export in Ideas 2008 exhibition, and it's export name was JF-17 Thunder, not FC-1, just a small correction.
CAC FC-1 Xiaolong (China), Aircraft - Fixed-wing - Military
Type
Attack fighter.
Programme
Fighter China (FC) programme launched 1991 following cancellation of US participation in development of Chengdu Super-7. Some design assistance from MiG OKB, possibly based on (then-designated MiG-33) mid-1980s project for single-engined variant of the MiG-29. (Sources at MiG experimental bureau quoted as saying that FC-1 was designed there to a military specification as Izd (Izdeliye: article) 33 and later offered for Chinese production following cancellation of Russian requirement.) Collaboration with Pakistan began with 1995 MoU, leading to joint development and production contract in June 1999, but avionics selection for Pakistan bedevilled by sanctions and technology transfer concerns, and this aspect separated from airframe development progress in early 2001.Full-scale mockup completed 2001 and exhibited at Zhuhai November 2002. First five prototypes (including 02 for static and 05 for fatigue test, and 04 earmarked as avionics and weapon systems testbed) under construction by then, with oft-postponed maiden flight targeted for mid-2003. First batch of RD-93 engines, to power 01, 03 and 04, received in 2002. Formal approval for production, at CAC's No. 132 factory, reported in January 2003. Pakistan renamed Super-7 as JF-17 (Joint Fighter) Thunder in 2003.First FC-1 rolled out 31 May 2003 and began low-speed taxying trials 27 June, followed by eight-minute maiden flight (first of two that day) on 25 August, and first 'official' flight, by then also bearing JF-17 markings, 3 September 2003, all at Chengdu's Wenjiang Airport. Pakistan news reports at that time indicated following timetable (not achieved) for that country's participation: finalise MoU September 2003;
So then to my original point.. Isn't Pakistan's role in JF 17 similar to India's in SU30 MKi, where India was involved from start in development of this variant of Su 30 and also supplies avionics as well to the plane. Like JF 17, the Su 30 MKi is manufactured within India and if i understand right, this year will see even the engine getting fabricated within India only...
Pakistan originally imported their JF-17's , from China
Then started assembling.
And now are trying to manufacture it in Pakistan.
So essentially its gradual shift from Chinese manufacturing to Pakistani .
The only thing they don't have is an Engine that the Chinese are still having trouble with ,
till China can make them an engine , they are suing China as middle man to get the Mig engine (RD - 93) from Russia .
The Chines radar, avionics have been transferred to Pakistan for manufacture already i believe .
Now. What is FC-20? why so many names for one plane? Is there FC-19?F of course is the export letter.
j-10 export is called FC-20
What are the foreign systems (non-chinese?) in JF-17 inducted in PAF?The FC-1 also lacks some foreign systems that Pakistan has chosen for it self
J is the chines letter for its own systems, like J-10, J-11 .
JF could mean internal export
Is export version FC-1 or FC-20??Although.
JF-17 is only refereed to as by Pakistan. The export name is FC-1
from China's perspective, it is the exporter of the FC-1 ,under that name.
Is it FC-1 or FC-20 if China exports?since Pakistan does not manufacture or even have access to an engine China is the one who negotiate exports and make the planes.
I am not sure about sourcing to Pakistan for exports however.
FC-1 is the official international designation
FC-1 was the name of the project, whereas JF-17 is the aircraft's designation. JF means Joint Fighter and this is the name that the plane will be exported under. However since the aircraft is not being acquired by China they do not use it's designated name, instead they use the project name to discuss the aircraft.
There was no JF-16 before this, the name is basically just a name.
Since been trying for decades, how many fighters India has built at her own from design to complete manufacturing ???? : None I guess in last 60 years All you guys have been doing is ToT and that it.
Pakistan has just starting its first one with China, and there will be problems , issues, lets face it. its still a long way for us and many areas to explore.
Err, it would be a blow to newbies who have just woken up yesterday. The truth is the JF-17 is the resumed Mig-35d project. d = defunct.That would be a blow to Pakistani members, who believed JF-17 was designed by Pakistan and China.
Nice find.
Translation
Don't go Off topic
Now. What is FC-20? why so many names for one plane? Is there FC-19?
Answering a question, he said the agreement between Pakistan and China for the delivery of High‑Tech aircraft J‑10 was intact and these aircraft after improving them further would be delivered to PAF in 2014‑15. He said these aircraft are being modernized in accordance with the PAFs requirements and delivered under the title of FC‑20.
What are the foreign systems (non-chinese?) in JF-17 inducted in PAF?
Export with with technology ?What is 'internal export'??
Is export version FC-1 or FC-20??
Is it FC-1 or FC-20 if China exports?
JF-17 if Pakistan exports, right?
What off topic?
you have been trying to blast Thunder in the whole thread with your utter useless posts , therefore I asked how many fighters Indians have made in last 60 years that are operational ? One simple question and you can reply in one line. why so reluctancy ?
Its for my own education. so in your own time, go ahead with answere