Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

[Indus Pakistan]

IF india could, they would have ALREADY done so by now. But the reality is that india is too weak, powerless, backward and scared to try to confront Pakistan.

On paper it should be even easier for India to what Russia has done to Ukraine. Consider the disparity -

• Russia has slightly over 3 times population of Ukraine - 144 million versus 44 million.
• India has almost 7 times population of Pakistan - 1,480 million versus 220 million.

But ............... !!!

 

[ziaulislam]

Well, in other threads you claim that you are a Pashtun.... You even have said offensive things about Punjabis ..

As for your fears regarding Mariyam Nawaz, she is the most hated politician in Punjab as well.. Though I do agree with some of the points you raised .. But I can tell you with certainly that Anti Army sentiment has got nothing to do with Punjabi nationalism .. Every Punjabi knows that .. But that's not the topic of this thread .. we may discuss it on some other thread instead of derailing this one .. We are all Pakistanis and Fascist India poses an existential threat to the state of Pakistan.

Sir i am an alien
Take it or leave it

 

[PakLeader]

Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine?

Answer: NO....now let's close this thread.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Answer: no.

Reason: profile pic.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Calm down!
Can you tell why we can't use submarines with land attack capabilities to hit land targets in case our land based cruise missiles can't reach there?
Here is test video of submarine launched missile hitting its land target.

I am calm - about life in general. Your masterly vision excites me.

What can't happen with video games and YouTube?

IF, that's a huge If indian soliders managed to cross into Pakistan the local Pak population would take up arms. In fact many villages in upper Punjab are armed with assault rifles. There are endless availability of weapons across Pakistan.

I get it.

The Pakistani military leadership is thinking night and day how to get the Indian Army to cross into Pakistan.

Boys, it's a trap!

There is no anti Army sentiment in central Punjab. Not even in the constituencies that vote for PMLN en masse. PMLN local leaders do not talk against Army. It's the top leadership only.

The only exception is the liberal wannabes from the urban centers. Army bashing has become sort of 'fashionable' in some elite universities (like LUMS)... They believe that Army bashing makes them look cool and educated .. not much of "sentiments" involved ..

PS: .. India has never been able to defeat Pakistan in the western theatre even when we didn't have nukes .. India neither has the means nor the will to do to Pakistan what Russia has done to Ukraine.. The chances of Pakistan invading/attacking India/ Indian Occupied Kashmir are in fact higher than India invading Pak

You said it.

 

[Tornado23]

Sir i am an alien
Take it or leave it

Grogu? Is that you?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hahaha, no we would cut through your ranks like spears, on the contrary!

Like spears!

Those have sharp edges. What are you trying to do, hurt people?

Which movie is this?

About to release - in movie theatres all over Afghanistan - world premiere in (to find out the place name, please meet one of our representatives at the table at the back.

 

[ziaulislam]

Simple ans HARD NO! Instead it would face humiliating defeat.
Now lets discuss. Recent example of Feb 27 is PROOF no matter what india shows many people here saw the reports by international media how india lost air superiority and how its claim of hitting "terrorist hideout" were debunked.
In terms of conventional weapon Pakistan and India are balanced. They have rafales we have J10C with Jf17s. For their sukhoi we have f16 ( which are better).
Air defence of Pakistan is also no JOKE.Comprising of Multi Layered Air Defence Systems with EW and Counter EW capabilities.
Also ad russia hit Ukraine with cruise missiles. Pakistan has a multi dimensional inventory of indegenious as well as imported missiles ranging from Babur to RAAD.
And on terms of ground forces well lets just say in ground forces the people bordering india are enough ( and this is no exagerration) while ukranians are fighting many capable men are also fleeing, incase of Pakistan i am 100% sure if calls come guns would become short but you would have no shortage of manpower!

Not really
They have the numbers
And on the sea front their navy out classes us
Though this is going to change with rapid induction of 8 major vessels and 8 submarines in less then 5 years period of 2022-2027

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

The need of the hour is central authority and a decentralized execution down to the tehsil level with a coordinated civil-military oversight. This is possible by establishing fusion cells that have plug-ins related to law and order, traffic, weather, hospitals and banking including any other event, etc.

Very interesting. What exactly is being suggested here by General saheb?

 

[UK_PAKISTANI]

Which movie is this?

Rambo 5: The take down of India

 

[tkmd]

The first question to ask is why would India do this? Modi is a neofascist hindu bigot but he’s not crazy. India doesn’t have the economic strength of Russia to pay for an unprovoked invasion like this.

That being said, it is clear every generation of Hindu has been worse than the previous. Inkey atma taraptey hain Pakistan ki naam sunkey. It is not unreasonable to anticipate some Yogi type clown being PM next or another RSS goon who decides to do this. And the question for us is do we have teh conventional capability to deter them and preserve our territorial integrity. At the moment the answer for a localized conflict is yes we do. For a conflict that involves the entire border? No we do not. And the solution to that is to grow our economy by leaps and bounds and finance a strong deterrent.

 

[ziaulislam]

The first question to ask is why would India do this? Modi is a neofascist hindu bigot but he’s not crazy. India doesn’t have the economic strength of Russia to pay for an unprovoked invasion like this.

That being said, it is clear every generation of Hindu has been worse than the previous. Inkey atma taraptey hain Pakistan ki naam sunkey. It is not unreasonable to anticipate some Yogi type clown being PM next or another RSS goon who decides to do this. And the question for us is do we have teh conventional capability to deter them and preserve our territorial integrity. At the moment the answer for a localized conflict is yes we do. For a conflict that involves the entire border? No we do not. And the solution to that is to grow our economy by leaps and bounds and finance a strong deterrent.

If india can make it short with international and local support it will do it just like 1971


Let me give you example
Tomorrpw PMLN takes over, maryum wants to stay in power she purges generals and fills army with loyalist like she did in punjab beucarcy. To get international support she denuclearize pakistan

Pakistan develops rapidly and she gets richer(case study haseena wajod, as this will indeed be rewarded in the form of investment, incentives and economic development)

Now you will say people would never allow it..but people woild have never allowed this level of critism of army too but they eventually DID ALLOW IT

No fast forward 20 years..there is a problem in sindh or balochistan issue gets worse..india sends marines to gawadar and takes it over gives to a new country along with some coastal areas

In 20 years india if it grows by 8%, it will be much bigger army more like the chinese army or american army

Indians lost 1000s of troops to get bengaldesh annexation.

People use to laugh out that bengaldeshi will revolt in 1950s and in 15 yeara thats exactly what happened

 

[TheSolution]

If india can make it short with international and local support it will do it just like 1971


Let me give you example
Tomorrpw PMLN takes over, maryum wants to stay in power she purges generals and fills army with loyalist like she did in punjab beucarcy. To get international support she denuclearize pakistan

Pakistan develops rapidly and she gets richer(case study haseena wajod, as this will indeed be rewarded in the form of investment, incentives and economic development)

Now you will say people would never allow it..but people woild have never allowed this level of critism of army too but they eventually DID ALLOW IT

No fast forward 20 years..there is a problem in sindh or balochistan issue gets worse..india sends marines to gawadar and takes it over gives to a new country along with some coastal areas

In 20 years india if it grows by 8%, it will be much bigger army more like the chinese army or american army

Indians lost 1000s of troops to get bengaldesh annexation.

People use to laugh out that bengaldeshi will revolt in 1950s and in 15 yeara thats exactly what happened

Solution: kill Maryum Nawaz

 

[PakSarZameen47]

If india can make it short with international and local support it will do it just like 1971


Let me give you example
Tomorrpw PMLN takes over, maryum wants to stay in power she purges generals and fills army with loyalist like she did in punjab beucarcy. To get international support she denuclearize pakistan

Pakistan develops rapidly and she gets richer(case study haseena wajod, as this will indeed be rewarded in the form of investment, incentives and economic development)

Now you will say people would never allow it..but people woild have never allowed this level of critism of army too but they eventually DID ALLOW IT

No fast forward 20 years..there is a problem in sindh or balochistan issue gets worse..india sends marines to gawadar and takes it over gives to a new country along with some coastal areas

In 20 years india if it grows by 8%, it will be much bigger army more like the chinese army or american army

Indians lost 1000s of troops to get bengaldesh annexation.

People use to laugh out that bengaldeshi will revolt in 1950s and in 15 yeara thats exactly what happened

Come on bhai, have some faith in Allah. This is the absolute worse case scenario and I have full faith in Allah that this will not happen.

The state is not as weak as you think otherwise we would not have made it to 2015. Remember Pak was fully expected to collapse in 2009 , it didn't. Then it was expected to collapse by 2014, it didn't. Just rewind to 10 yes ago and compare to today, we're in a much better position and by Allah's mercy we have survived.

The road ahead is not going to be smooth sailing, there will be hiccups. We need desperate reforms in all sector's of government... centralised presedential government is need of hour. Need to purge all ethnonationalists and misinformation warfare. Need to promote unity. These things for a start..

We will get through inshAllah.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Modi is a neofascist hindu bigot but he’s not crazy.

Modi is a lackey of the US. He will do whatever US orders him to do.

US will fight China and Pakistan until the last Indian soldier.

Indians are a good cannon fodder for the US.

Currently the US is pissed off that Pakistan is allying with China and Russia. So Biden will use Modi against Pakistan and China.