Can China catch up with India in space race?

[Pandora]

Indians have low IQ.

Indians have smaller brains, reveals study - Times of India

International Institute of Information Technology, Hyderabad (IIIT-H) has created the first-ever Indian Brain Atlas. While there are templates for Caucasian, Chinese, Korean brains, there was no such atlas for Indian brain which is comparatively smaller in height, width and volume. A custom...

m.timesofindia.com

This nothing to laugh at as in most developing countries Malnutrition is a very serious issue. Smaller brains mean women who breast fed children's were themselves under nourished so it is a cycle. Malnutrition not only stunts brain growth but rest of the body as well. Children grow up with weak bones and organs resulting in ever decreasing height dilemma.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Indians ridicule Japan's technology , see, how delusional and foolish Indians are

That dude must be a troll. Because I can't believe he is serious about what he is saying or maybe he is just trolling. It's like Iran or North Korea making fun of China's technology.

 

[mike2000 is back]

no, wrong, China is not a place where Wall Street runs wild and controls society

Lol if you say so(or whatever that even means). Guess the best way is just nationalise all those your big private companies and get state owned companies to take over them. Since that's the best way to prevent any private company from becoming too big and too successful threatening state owned companies and their grip on the economy. So to avoid a wall street private company run China your government should implement completely what it names implies: communism. And make all the big companies state owned and run.
In fact even your space sector shouldn't have been opened up to private sector since it will one day threaten your state owned space contractors like Alibaba did with your online financial/ecommerce industry. Better safe than sorry I guess.

 

[lonelyman]

Lol if you say so(or whatever that even means). Guess the best way is just nationalise all those your big private companies and get state owned companies to take over them. Since that's the best way to prevent any private company from becoming too big and too successful threatening state owned companies and their grip on the economy. So to avoid a wall street private company run China your government should implement completely what it names implies: communism. And make all the big companies state owned and run.
In fact even your space sector shouldn't have been opened up to private sector since it will one day threaten your state owned space contractors like Alibaba did with your online financial/ecommerce industry. Better safe than sorry I guess.

don't go extreme, who said take over private business. China has a perfect balance between private business and state owned companies, it's working for last 40 years, it's a fact, isn't it?

Again China is not a place where wall street is too big to fail to cause 2008 financial crisis, screwing everybody else but nobody goes to jail but end with a big fat bonus check

 

[mike2000 is back]

don't go extreme, who said take over private business. China has a perfect balance between private business and state owned companies, it's working for last 40 years, it's a fact, isn't it?

Again China is not a place where wall street is too big to fail to cause 2008 financial crisis, screwing everybody else but nobody goes to jail but end with a big fat bonus check

Who is world street that you alluding to? So your.private companies have now become wall street?
I don't know what perfect balance you are talking about. China was a complete communist country since Mao took over the country and the whole country was run only by state owned companies, no private companies were allowed per se. Which led to abject poverty/ineffective use of resources/inefficiency anz many hard working Chinese entrepreneurs to flee to Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and all over the world etc. It wasn't until Maos death and Deng carrying out his economic reforms and open up that China allowed private entrepreneurs to set up their own conpanies/industries and run them( even so your governent started very cautiously and allowed then only in Shenzhen in the beginning) it took years before the government started allowing that all over the country . So technically we can say that it wasn't until the 90s that China allowed its hard working entrepreneurial people to really set up their own companies and run their own industries. So that's just over 30years. Very recent thing. This is the time that many of your company are starring to really mature/developed to a certain size. So if you think the best way to do is to limit them from growing too big and powerful then the best way to do is to curtail them or cut them to size.
So reason I said, your government is just starting to get used to having such big private companies in their midst. Which I can understand the party can feel abit uncomfortable having such large powerful private companies. It hasn't been long since you had such large and powerful private tech company. So I don't see why you say you have been managing and balancing then well for over 40 years. Most of your successful powerful tech companies are not that old. Barely 20 years if not less. So CCP will have to learn to get used to it. I know they can feel threatened by having such big powerful privately run companies, bit that's how a successful country should be. The party is not the country, political parties come and go but the country always remains as I said before. CCP won't stay in power forever as well. So they should get used to this and learn to live with their private companies and give them level playing field with their state owned ones that's how the country will develop properly going forward especially as they try to move up the value chain to a high tech economy. It can't be carried sucessful8only by the government if anything it should be private sector led.

 

[huckyang]

No, the way your authorities carried out the crackdown on alibaba was to send them a message . You don't just wake a morning at suddenly stop the IPO of your biggest company without any prior notice . That's not how a mature confident government reacts. The law should have been clearly drawn out, passed and published so private companies know what they have to expect then implementation could then be carried out for those who infringe on the law.
The way the alibaba fiasco played out was very wrong. That's not a government should treat their private champions. It just shows it more than just what they said it was. Else they would have cautioned them Long ago and Ant wouldn't have tried to file for an IPO in the first place without sorting out their issues with anti trust authorities. So I don't see anything good in the way your government handled that. If anything it just served to remind foreign investors about the volatility of the way the Chinese government acts and will dent Confidence in investors towards alibaba going forward.
Especially when the government targeted just them and hasn't fined any Alibaba's peers, compared to the record fine alibaba got. The others should have gotten the same if it was just about so called "anti competition laws". Lol

If person got 1 billions he should be contended as money can almost buy him enough. The problem with capitalism is ended up with a small of elites that rules. With sosialism every one will compete for laziness as you work hard or not everyone is even this is the main reason comunism failed. Hence I believe there should be a cap. The rest should go to help the masses that needed more. Till now there is not yet a system better than capitalism and socialism.

No, the way your authorities carried out the crackdown on alibaba was to send them a message . You don't just wake a morning at suddenly stop the IPO of your biggest company without any prior notice . That's not how a mature confident government reacts. The law should have been clearly drawn out, passed and published so private companies know what they have to expect then implementation could then be carried out for those who infringe on the law.
The way the alibaba fiasco played out was very wrong. That's not a government should treat their private champions. It just shows it more than just what they said it was. Else they would have cautioned them Long ago and Ant wouldn't have tried to file for an IPO in the first place without sorting out their issues with anti trust authorities. So I don't see anything good in the way your government handled that. If anything it just served to remind foreign investors about the volatility of the way the Chinese government acts and will dent Confidence in investors towards alibaba going forward.
Especially when the government targeted just them and hasn't fined any Alibaba's peers, compared to the record fine alibaba got. The others should have gotten the same if it was just about so called "anti competition laws". Lol

The failure of communism is because everyone is competing to be lazier as you work hard or not you get the same. This how communism failed. Capitalism got it own weakness, living a small elites that monopoly. Hence there should be cap, I believe as you earned more, more must be shared to needy one. For now there is no alternative system better than capitalism and sosialism.

 

[lonelyman]

Who is world street that you alluding to? So your.private companies have now become wall street?
I don't know what perfect balance you are talking about. China was a complete communist country since Mao took over the country and the whole country was run only by state owned companies, no private companies were allowed per se. Which led to abject poverty/ineffective use of resources/inefficiency anz many hard working Chinese entrepreneurs to flee to Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and all over the world etc. It wasn't until Maos death and Deng carrying out his economic reforms and open up that China allowed private entrepreneurs to set up their own conpanies/industries and run them( even so your governent started very cautiously and allowed then only in Shenzhen in the beginning) it took years before the government started allowing that all over the country . So technically we can say that it wasn't until the 90s that China allowed its hard working entrepreneurial people to really set up their own companies and run their own industries. So that's just over 30years. Very recent thing. This is the time that many of your company are starring to really mature/developed to a certain size. So if you think the best way to do is to limit them from growing too big and powerful then the best way to do is to curtail them or cut them to size.
So reason I said, your government is just starting to get used to having such big private companies in their midst. Which I can understand the party can feel abit uncomfortable having such large powerful private companies. It hasn't been long since you had such large and powerful private tech company. So I don't see why you say you have been managing and balancing then well for over 40 years. Most of your successful powerful tech companies are not that old. Barely 20 years if not less. So CCP will have to learn to get used to it. I know they can feel threatened by having such big powerful privately run companies, bit that's how a successful country should be. The party is not the country, political parties come and go but the country always remains as I said before. CCP won't stay in power forever as well. So they should get used to this and learn to live with their private companies and give them level playing field with their state owned ones that's how the country will develop properly going forward especially as they try to move up the value chain to a high tech economy. It can't be carried sucessful8only by the government if anything it should be private sector led.

of course I am talking about last 40 years model, the hybrid between state companies and private business

it’s working, weathered all crisis last 40 years and lifted 700 million people out of poverty.

save your lecture on the private business, no model is perfect. Despite benefits, private business control has its evil side too, like vested interests in USA medical industry, Wall Street interests, lobby interests and military industry complex interests. Greed takes over in the end.

China gets the best of two worlds, why you worry for us?

 

[huckyang]

If person got 1 billions he should be contended as money can almost buy him enough. The problem with capitalism is ended up with a small of elites that rules. With sosialism every one will compete for laziness as you work hard or not everyone is even this is the main reason comunism failed. Hence I believe there should be a cap. The rest should go to help the masses that needed more. Till now there is not yet a system better than capitalism and socialism.
The failure of communism is because everyone is competing to be lazier as you work hard or not you get the same. This how communism failed. Capitalism got it own weakness, living a small elites that monopoly. Hence there should be cap, I believe as you earned more, more must be shared to needy one. For now there is no alternative system better than capitalism and sosialism.

Wonder what Bill Gates is going do the money he has???? Staying in 10 houses, etc.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

I listed the facts debunk your bullshit and lies about China space program liked china failed moon landing attempts and your fancy claim like India only behind 7-8 years,

you keep coming up with excuse like 'defense oriented', 'India does not need it' 'India focus on doing cheaper way' and resort to personal attack after getting triggered. But totally unable to enlighten us what does ISRO plan to use for the planned Manned Moon mission?

see, no point talking facts with stupid self-delusional ignorant Indian trolls

Did the manned mission become something important? India only intends to send people into suborbital flights as a PR stunt. There is no higher ambition. India does a lot of PR stunts but does not spend resources on them. India simply uses cheap tricks and innovative practices to do these stunts without spending anything. Just see how India sent a probe to Mars by slingshot method! That is how India functions. Indian space is defence oriented and everything else will only be done using the cheapest possible method

Damn....arguing with this is just. So Japan the most developed country in Asia even today is a joke to you. I will only say that even your country will need decades to get to Japan's current level. So a country that had been able to land on a meteorite billions of km away from Earth and retrieve them back to earth (a 6 years mission journey and they have done this twice now) is a joke to you, even the US is just launching yhrir just recently. When do think ISRO can achieve that type of feat for example? Do you know that until recently Japan still had the largest rocket carrier in operation in Asia before the Chinese managed to get the Long march 5 operational a few years ago?

Japanese in general are not boastful, having been there I can testify that they are one of the most humble people on earth.so ita easy fir so e people to overlook them. So the fact that they don't brag much shouldn't fool you about their capabilities that country possess. in fact outside the US even the Chibese will still see them as their biggest threat ahead of even India. The fact that you call them a joke just makes me think you are either trolling or just being naive. So I'll just leave things here. Hard to argue over such naive points.

The advanced Japanese technology are just USA gifts. Japan has all its heavy manufacturing from US help. USA however, refused to allow Japan to have semiconductor chip manufacturing but gave that to Korea and Taiwan instead. So, japan has to rely on USA for most of the chipsets. Even Taiwan and Korea have to rely on USA for the fabrication machines. Thus, at the end, Japanese technology is limited to heavy machinery with everything else being dependent on USA.

Japan landed a probe on an asteroid which travels close to earth. This is not really meaningful as the asteroid is about 95000km from earth, about a fourth of the distance from moon. It has pretty much no gravity as it is extremely small object. Thus landing on it is not very hard

 

[lonelyman]

Did the manned mission become something important? India only intends to send people into suborbital flights as a PR stunt. There is no higher ambition. India does a lot of PR stunts but does not spend resources on them. India simply uses cheap tricks and innovative practices to do these stunts without spending anything. Just see how India sent a probe to Mars by slingshot method! That is how India functions. Indian space is defence oriented and everything else will only be done using the cheapest possible method


The advanced Japanese technology are just USA gifts. Japan has all its heavy manufacturing from US help. USA however, refused to allow Japan to have semiconductor chip manufacturing but gave that to Korea and Taiwan instead. So, japan has to rely on USA for most of the chipsets. Even Taiwan and Korea have to rely on USA for the fabrication machines. Thus, at the end, Japanese technology is limited to heavy machinery with everything else being dependent on USA.

Japan landed a probe on an asteroid which travels close to earth. This is not really meaningful as the asteroid is about 95000km from earth, about a fourth of the distance from moon. It has pretty much no gravity as it is extremely small object. Thus landing on it is not very hard

no point debate ignorant people and shifting his position

what India did was not innovative but cheap and backward, are you saying wasting 2 month spin around the earth to do the sling shot for your 13 kg payload is more advanced than China send 5 ton payload directly to the earth Mars transfer orbit?

 

[Beast]

no point debate ignorant people and shifting his stand

thats not innovative but cheap and backward, are you saying wasting 2 month spin around the earth to do the sling shot for your 13 kg payload is more advanced than China send 5 ton payload directly to the earth Mars transfer orbit?

Thats right. Ignore them. They will never admit their technology shortcoming. Even you give him USD 20 billion and they failed to deliver. They will still spin whatever narrative that suit their fantasy!

 

[mike2000 is back]

Japan landed a probe on an asteroid which travels close to earth. This is not really meaningful as the asteroid is about 95000km from earth, about a fourth of the distance from moon. It has pretty much no gravity as it is extremely small object. Thus landing on it is not very hard

Dude their asteroid probe travelled over 6billion Km in total.

After six years and 6bn km, Japan's Hayabusa2 prepares to bring home cargo of asteroid dust

Japanese craft collected dust from the asteroid Ryugu that scientists hope could shed light on the origins of life

www.google.com

You guys will.need decades to achieve something like that.
To think you are calling them a joke, is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard for a long time.

The advanced Japanese technology are just USA gifts. Japan has all its heavy manufacturing from US help. USA however, refused to allow Japan to have semiconductor chip manufacturing but gave that to Korea and Taiwan instead. So, japan has to rely on USA for most of the chipsets. Even Taiwan and Korea have to rely on USA for the fabrication machines. Thus, at the end, Japanese technology is limited to heavy machinery with everything else being dependent on USA.

OK you win. Japan has nothing. Everything Japan has is because of the US. I GIVE UP

 

[mike2000 is back]

of course I am talking about last 40 years model, the hybrid between state companies and private business

it’s working, weathered all crisis last 40 years and lifted 700 million people out of poverty.

save your lecture on the private business, no model is perfect. Despite benefits, private business control has its evil side too, like vested interests in USA medical industry, Wall Street interests, lobby interests and military industry complex interests. Greed takes over in the end.

China gets the best of two worlds, why you worry for us?

Nobody is worrying for you. We are debating about a topic and exchanging views. That's what we all do here.
Anyway, only time will tell how things will play out. We can only make observations based on past events while forecasting the best way out in future based on those. However, we can only wait and see how things will be in future. Since nobody can predict the future anyway . Who would have imagined a virus like covid will appear and wreck much of the worlds economy?
So we can only wait and see how things will play out, and see which model the government will go with(that again will also depend on who will be president this coming decade I guess) if they will expand more state control or give more space to private or wider versa. Alot remains to be seen.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Who would have imagined a virus like covid will appear and wreck much of the worlds economy?

Virus itself does not wreck economy. Lockdown does. No one asks you to do lockdown. The decision is yours. Because US has to compete with China, US has refused lockdown.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Pls dont compare India with us. When we are in India position against US. We didnt BS and delude ourselves with chest thumping bragging to do self comfort. We admit our short coming and quietly work towards our goal of overcome those problem.

But here the Indian is different. They are 1.55m short but keep insist they are 1.8m tall with all kind of stupid self delusion reason or smear to make themselves feel good. If Chinese behave like Indian, we would not have reach today stage. Plus, what we all mention are facts, with no add on or exaggerate! All can be back by proof!

Agree. It's surpsing seeing those views from them. It's more of a south Asian trait I suppose. More about talk/posturing and less action unfortunately.