Camouflage of indigenousness for nuclear weapons & myth of Indian space programmes.

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[illusion8]

We sure have a bunch of loonies on PDF..and PDF attracts the worst them.

 

[Tshering22]

Bhartis have created a camouflage of indigenousness for their nuclear weapons. They want to send a signal of deterrence because they have a plethora of enemies ranging from Pakistan to USA, China to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh to Myanmar (regarding enmity with USA, elaboration is required for skeptical readers). Bhartis want to say, "Look we are capable of retaliating to your nuclear strikes if need be. So exercise restraint."

Except Pakistan here, no one is what you make them out to be. Even Pakistan as a state is no longer the enemy. The jihadi terrorism is.

Hence they came up with copied or reverse engineered models of rockets to launch their civilian space missions. Using this copied or reverse engineered rocket technology and perhaps even covertly hiring Russian scientists, they launched their Mars mission and Lunar mission. They also use this plagiarized technology to launch commercial satellites for Western countries and charge handsome fees for their services.

By your logic, only the Nazis were the original pioneers in any strategic technology as both US and WW2 Allies got a windfall gain due to plagiarising Nazi science research. It is no secret that Indian and Chinese space programmes share their fundamental know-hows to the Soviet assistance provided during cold war.

Indians don't have a childish mindset. Unlike Americans - who claim to have landed on moon way back in 1969 with primitive computers - Indians don't claim implausible feats although the plausible feats may have been actually done by someone else. They are not given to empty boastings or making fake claims unless there is a compulsion. Here the compelling reason which made it necessary to brag about the borrowed technology is the threat of nuclear war. Indians want to avert nuclear attacks and hence started to show off the space capabilities which actually may have been purchased from all over the world. If the various enemies of India hadn't possessed nukes, Indians wouldn't have bluffed about space achievements. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

Some people on PDF think that using nukes is like using Hot Wheels racing car sets.

All they need to see is the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing clips again and again to get the understanding of what it means to use nuclear weapons.

How else would you explain that the country which unabashedly calls the assembly of imported parts as their indigenous plane (reference to Tejas) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

Indigenous or not, our policies meets our requirements, gets the job done and projects the right image we want to have. Why do we need to boast about anything extra. We are not interested in policing other countries. Let Trumpland do that.

How else would you explain that the country that produces such bad quality software coders/programmers is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is unable to eradicate basic problem like open-defecation is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is harassed by a tiny neighbor like Pakistan (relatively speaking Pakistan is tiny) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

That was some intellectual diarrhoea..!

 

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@Bharat Muslim

Oh no... we're doomed..

Jesus walked on the sea acc to the worst book ever so called Bible.. when he did its called miracle but when criss Angels walks.. oh no its a magic he's faking it...... and no one asks if Jesus faked it or the bibile lied to the hell

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

So what OP wanted to convey is that India is just advertising it's self as developers and under the core India is even not able to produce a simple technology like a jet fighter. I have a question if Indian space program was good and India was able to land a rover on mars how come India was not able to make it's own cruise missile this all is very strange OP has a proven point India lack in some core regions and thrives in other that only justifies OP's point. Very well assessed article in some area thou India can never threaten any of it's enemies in any way India is way far behind Pakistan China in military achievements and stuff.

regarding the indian space program i can say that they are very successful and are better than us yes it space program is one of the best in the world but he has also valid points that why can`t the same country produce cruise missile and jet. i have even read some where that the Indians produce their own circuit board and transistors from scratch for their space programs.

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A CASE AKIN AND RELATED TO IT:

The Curious Case (and Continued Disgrace) of M. Night Shyamalan

HOW DO YOU GO FROM "THE NEXT SPIELBERG" TO A CRITICAL JOKE IN THE SPAN OF A SINGLE DECADE? JUST ASK M. NIGHT SHYAMALAN. HE KNOWS ALL TOO WELL.

How do you go from “the next Spielberg” to a critical joke in the span of a single decade? How, exactly, do you squander all the cinematic goodwill you’ve built up over the course of some stellar motion pictures to produce what many consider to be back-to-back-to-back bombs? It’s an intriguing set of questions, one that the subject would probably scoff at as nothing more than the irrational ‘hating’ of a fetishized fanboy nation. But the fact remains that M Night Shyamalan is considered the owner of one aesthetic flop after another. While The Last Airbender made enough money to see Paramount past its obvious critical drubbing (it was based on a wildly popular animated kids show, after all), what’s clear is that said film, and the nearly three films in between his latest, After Earth, showcases a director no longer in control of his muse.

In fact, many are starting to call him a one trick pony, and a couple of caveats aside, it looks like an accurate label. Sure, Unbreakable still has its devoted following, and Signs is an intriguing (if narratively manipulative and front-loaded) look at an alien invasion from a single farm’s perspective, the rest of Shyamalan’s creative cannon is crappy, at best. The Village took an already hackneyed idea and let it destroy an otherwise effective fairy tale and the Lady in the Water wasn’t going to work no matter which studio allowed its maker complete carte blanche. And then there was the laughably bad horror film The Happening, a movie that Shyamalan actually referred to as the “scariest” thing he had ever done. If he was referencing how undeniably awful it was/is, he had a point.

So again, how exactly did this happen? How does a multiple Oscar nominee and one-time commercial given fall so far so fast? There are many theories out there - ego, studio arrogance and/or interference, the lack of same, an overreliance on contrivance (i.e. - the “twist” ending), the director’s desire to give himself a major acting role in almost every effort. Some have even suggested that there is really nothing wrong with his films and that Shyamalan’s status as a filmmaker “of color” is the reason behind the backlash (read: racism). Even when money is mentioned, it is clear that despite their poor reception, the man’s movies make money, with Unbreakable cracking $250 million while Signs made close to $700 million worldwide. The Last Airbender took in $319 million while The Happening even managed to rake in $163 million. Only Lady in the Water was a quantitative disappointment, bringing in a mere $73 million.

Of course, it could just be the films themselves. No one is suggesting that After Earth will be bereft of visual flare (all 3D and CG aside). There are also early speculations that point out the excellent special effects and action scenes. No, where Shyamalan seems to be faltering is in the script department, a place that many in his minion used to celebrate. Clearly, the screenplays for The Village, Lady in the Water, and The Happening are less than polished, each one coughing up laughable lines and illogical leaps in plot mechanics. But even further back, Shyamalan was seemingly skirting by. Signs often appears crafted out of a series of character quality flashcards, each one envisioned as a piece in a pat, predestined puzzle while Unbreakable ends the most mythic origin story ever to then leave its super hero and super villain hanging.

Viewed some 14 years later, even The Sixth Sense seems less like a phenomenon and more like a very well made movie that struck at the proper point in the cultural dialogue. There is little replay value story-wise, while stars Bruce Willis and Haley Joel Osment shine in a way that almost makes up for the lack of repeatability. In fact, many of Shyamalan’s efforts tolerate another look simply because of the visuals employed. Take The Happening. The opening string of “suicides”, including a memorable moment at a construction site, really does deliver. Similarly, Signs has the sequence where a South American birthday party video is witness to one of the advancing extraterrestrials. From iconic imagery (Willis standing in the rain before reluctantly accepting his role as a crimefighter) to flights of imagination and fancy (some of Lady in the Water is gorgeous to look at), Shyamalan has a wonderful cinematic eye.

But movies are more than epic optical scope (right, Tim Burton?). When wrapped in the ridiculous trappings of his sloppy storytelling, even the most memorable moment fails him. Disney stood up to Shyamalan when he brought the Lady project to what was then his production home, Touchstone. After taking one look at the half-baked bedtime story loaded with sprites, demon dogs, and a particularly crabby film critic, they said “No”. Even with the boatload of cash the director had made for them, they saw little possibility in the project. Thus began a battle of wills which saw Warner Brothers scoop up the stranded title. In one of the rare cases where the suits knew better than the supposed artist, Lady laid a massive egg, firing the first serious salvo into Shyamalan’s seemingly impenetrably bankability.

Now, three films into his continuing disgrace, it’s hard to support much of what he’s accomplished. Indeed, the abject badness of something like The Happening makes one queasy toward accepting anything he’s ever done. That’s the surreal part of this situation. Imagine Stephen Spielberg (to reference back to the beginning) helming Raiders of the Lost Ark, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and Jaws, and then delivering Porky’s, Troll, and The Last Action Hero. No one is expecting perfection, not even from someone who supposedly demands it of himself. But to go from great to god-awful posses a particularly troubling quandary - is Shyamalan a bad director who got lucky at first, or a great filmmaker deluded by his own hype?

In either case, this continued collapse is stunning. There is no doubt that, even if After Earth tanks, he will get yet another shot at screwing up something else (he has already hinted about working with Willis again). Studios are certain that they are the ones that can hem in his hubris and get the man back in blockbuster mode again - and who knows. Maybe Earth will be the return to form many feel he’s due. In either case, there are few filmmakers who one can point to as being both the best and worst at what they claim to be capable of. While it’s not a particularly proud badge of honor, M Night Shyamalan must wear it, at least for now. It definitely makes him an anomaly among his fellow mavericks. In this case, however, being different doesn’t mean being better. Just beleaguered…and belittled…and broken.

http://www.popmatters.com/post/171930-the-curious-case-and-continued-disgrace-of-m.-night-shyamalan/

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Bhartis have created a camouflage of indigenousness for their nuclear weapons. They want to send a signal of deterrence because they have a plethora of enemies ranging from Pakistan to USA, China to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh to Myanmar (regarding enmity with USA, elaboration is required for skeptical readers). Bhartis want to say, "Look we are capable of retaliating to your nuclear strikes if need be. So exercise restraint."

Hence they came up with copied or reverse engineered models of rockets to launch their civilian space missions. Using this copied or reverse engineered rocket technology and perhaps even covertly hiring Russian scientists, they launched their Mars mission and Lunar mission. They also use this plagiarized technology to launch commercial satellites for Western countries and charge handsome fees for their services.

Indians don't have a childish mindset. Unlike Americans - who claim to have landed on moon way back in 1969 with primitive computers - Indians don't claim implausible feats although the plausible feats may have been actually done by someone else. They are not given to empty boastings or making fake claims unless there is a compulsion. Here the compelling reason which made it necessary to brag about the borrowed technology is the threat of nuclear war. Indians want to avert nuclear attacks and hence started to show off the space capabilities which actually may have been purchased from all over the world. If the various enemies of India hadn't possessed nukes, Indians wouldn't have bluffed about space achievements. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

How else would you explain that the country which unabashedly calls the assembly of imported parts as their indigenous plane (reference to Tejas) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that produces such bad quality software coders/programmers is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is unable to eradicate basic problem like open-defecation is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is harassed by a tiny neighbor like Pakistan (relatively speaking Pakistan is tiny) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

@SOUTHie @Jacob Martin

 

[HariPrasad]

Bhartis have created a camouflage of indigenousness for their nuclear weapons. They want to send a signal of deterrence because they have a plethora of enemies ranging from Pakistan to USA, China to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh to Myanmar (regarding enmity with USA, elaboration is required for skeptical readers). Bhartis want to say, "Look we are capable of retaliating to your nuclear strikes if need be. So exercise restraint."

Hence they came up with copied or reverse engineered models of rockets to launch their civilian space missions. Using this copied or reverse engineered rocket technology and perhaps even covertly hiring Russian scientists, they launched their Mars mission and Lunar mission. They also use this plagiarized technology to launch commercial satellites for Western countries and charge handsome fees for their services.

Indians don't have a childish mindset. Unlike Americans - who claim to have landed on moon way back in 1969 with primitive computers - Indians don't claim implausible feats although the plausible feats may have been actually done by someone else. They are not given to empty boastings or making fake claims unless there is a compulsion. Here the compelling reason which made it necessary to brag about the borrowed technology is the threat of nuclear war. Indians want to avert nuclear attacks and hence started to show off the space capabilities which actually may have been purchased from all over the world. If the various enemies of India hadn't possessed nukes, Indians wouldn't have bluffed about space achievements. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

How else would you explain that the country which unabashedly calls the assembly of imported parts as their indigenous plane (reference to Tejas) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that produces such bad quality software coders/programmers is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is unable to eradicate basic problem like open-defecation is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is harassed by a tiny neighbor like Pakistan (relatively speaking Pakistan is tiny) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

I am sure you will find a lots of support on this forum.

Is this great piece of writing is yours or it is posted from somewhere else?

This revelation makes me lose interest in Indus civilization. It makes me think, "So what if we are part of Indus civilization? How does it matter? What benefit does being part of Indus give us?" Suddenly the topic of Indus loses its attraction by reading this thread.

Really a mind boggling piece of writting.

Basically guy is saying India never did mars mission and America faked moon landing.

Troll thread. Waste of your time and my time .

No actually this can give you a great insight in what madrasa education can do to a person? Just enjoy it like you enjoy Chinese warnings on this thread.

 

[Chhatrapati]

@Bharat Muslim I thought of giving all the explanations but then I thought, may be you need to go home to the conspiracy brigade. The answer is a bunch of theories which do not require any explanation. Like this.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

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[ChennaiDude]

@ChennaiDude

Just three words.."Theory of Relativity"...example.....Lets say you are travelling from Point A to Point B...Is Point B coming to you or Are you going towards point B....Here both are correct, since the earth is rotating and not stationary!

 

[KRAIT]

Some people can't digest India's success in Space Program.

 

[Chhatrapati]

why can`t the same country produce cruise missile and jet.

India do have a cruise missile, it's called Shaurya missile. While Brahmos is jointly developed with Russia similarly Brahmos 2 is being developed.

Jet by if you mean, Jet engine then we are yet to master the technology. Because Jet engine tech is one of the most kept secret, only France, Russia, UK, Germany and US have produced a reliable jet engines. We do have developed Kaveri Engine but since it can produce only 75kN thrust whereas the requirement has gone up to 90kN with afterburner we haven't mastered it yet. Soon, you will hear about it.

If you are talking about jet, then we had developed HAL marut during the 80's and 90's. But during that time our economical state is not as good as it is now, we abandoned the project and went on to buying everything.
We have our own designed Jets like the Tejas, it is designed by Aeronautical Development Agency.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Bhartis have created a camouflage of indigenousness for their nuclear weapons. They want to send a signal of deterrence because they have a plethora of enemies ranging from Pakistan to USA, China to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh to Myanmar (regarding enmity with USA, elaboration is required for skeptical readers). Bhartis want to say, "Look we are capable of retaliating to your nuclear strikes if need be. So exercise restraint."

Hence they came up with copied or reverse engineered models of rockets to launch their civilian space missions. Using this copied or reverse engineered rocket technology and perhaps even covertly hiring Russian scientists, they launched their Mars mission and Lunar mission. They also use this plagiarized technology to launch commercial satellites for Western countries and charge handsome fees for their services.

Indians don't have a childish mindset. Unlike Americans - who claim to have landed on moon way back in 1969 with primitive computers - Indians don't claim implausible feats although the plausible feats may have been actually done by someone else. They are not given to empty boastings or making fake claims unless there is a compulsion. Here the compelling reason which made it necessary to brag about the borrowed technology is the threat of nuclear war. Indians want to avert nuclear attacks and hence started to show off the space capabilities which actually may have been purchased from all over the world. If the various enemies of India hadn't possessed nukes, Indians wouldn't have bluffed about space achievements. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

How else would you explain that the country which unabashedly calls the assembly of imported parts as their indigenous plane (reference to Tejas) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that produces such bad quality software coders/programmers is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is unable to eradicate basic problem like open-defecation is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

How else would you explain that the country that is harassed by a tiny neighbor like Pakistan (relatively speaking Pakistan is tiny) is able to carry out such above mentioned high-end innovations?

@Stephen Cohen @Jacob Martin

 

[dray]

Oh boy! Someone really hates India!

But loves its flag!