Call for Beijing to work with Taiwan to reunify in Chinese-style democracy

[Kolaps]

Right,dude, Im socialism supporter , not that CCP

Base on Marx's theory, China doesnt meet any essential conditions to become communist society

Marx predicted a proletariat revolution would take place in a heavily industrialized country like Germany or England. Heavy industry is what created capitalism and its inherent class struggle between the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariat. In an agrarian economy like Russia's was at the time, the two classes were not drawn distinctly enough to create enough impetus for the workers to revolt. The Russian Revolution was driven by politics, whereas Marx predicted a revolution driven by economics.Where did Karl marx think a communist revolution would take place first

Mao Zedong should read this!

But I don't think communist revolution will happen in China, nor other developed countries.

Seeing Chinese people behavior, they actually fit with the current capitalism, free market economy system. Market economy itself invented by Shennong thousands years ago, along with the probably world first coin/money, seashell, later paper money. It's deep rooted in Chinese blood.

And I don't think it going to be communist revolution in other developed countries like EU and US. As today, economy crisis proven that lavish socialist program is the main cause of government budget deficit and economy sluggishness.


But I do believe...with SOEs and meritocracy, probably China is able to deliver better socialist program to the people than other developed countries in the future...But may be Chinese people don't bother it with, as Chinese people trait is self-sufficient.

 

[Kolaps]

CPC uses the western ideology, but CPC doesn't bow to the white men, while your KMT fellows are nothing but a bunch of spineless cowards who let their own mother and sister got fcked by their white masters.

Well, that is probably true...

And we also bowing to another Yellow master, Japanese...

I'm agree that Taiwan is pathetic on this one.

What the heck you talking about, I hate CCP just as much as I hate KMT, both of them are just having their mind and soul fvcked by their respective white masters, and dont forget 中华苏维埃共和国。

That is the right thing!!!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Mao Zedong should read this!

But I don't think communist revolution will happen in China, nor other developed countries.

Seeing Chinese people behavior, they actually fit with the current capitalism, free market economy system. Market economy itself invented by Shennong thousands years ago, along with the probably world first coin/money, seashell, later paper money. It's deep rooted in Chinese blood.
And I don't think it going to be communist revolution in other developed countries like EU and US. As today, economy crisis proven that lavish socialist program is the main cause of government budget deficit and economy sluggishness.


But I do believe...with SOEs and meritocracy, probably China is able to deliver better socialist program to the people than other developed countries in the future...But may be Chinese people don't bother it with, as Chinese people trait is self-sufficient.

You worship the western capitalism 100%, thus you are not qualified to speak for the behalf of China.

China by its root is always moderate, thus we will always be moderate between socialism and capitalism.

CPC is trying the 50% socialism and 50% capitalism.

As for the strategic sector, it must remain state-controlled in order prevent the financial incursion of the foreign states.

As for the civilian sector, it can be private-controlled in order to increase more competition.

China by its nature prefers to be controlled by a strong authoritarian government. Without this, China would be divided and being conquered easily by the western power.

The western world hates CPC not because the so-called bullsh1t human right, but CPC makes China united and prevents them to conquer China like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You are an braindead western worshipper, thus you should STFU.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well, that is probably true...

And we also bowing to another Yellow master, Japanese...

I'm agree that Taiwan is pathetic on this one.

Well, try to tell this to Sonyuke_Songpaisan, he probably will go nut as you are telling him that his beloved KMT are nothing, but a bunch of slaves to the Japanese dogs.

 

[Kolaps]

You guys also need to stop behaving like racist westerners who see everything through race. We have White Han Chinese people in Gansu and other northwestern provinces. One of them was a friend of my family, he and his family fled with the KMT to Taiwan. He had blonde hair and looked 90% white and he only spoke Mandarin. They are probably descended from the Indo European Tocharians who lived in Gansu during the Qin dynasty. Liqian village has a high concentration of them. The Roman descent theory is BS as I said they are most likely Tocharian descendants.

I thought Tocharian are Uighur?

You guys also need to stop behaving like racist westerners who see everything through race. We have White Han Chinese people in Gansu and other northwestern provinces. One of them was a friend of my family, he and his family fled with the KMT to Taiwan. He had blonde hair and looked 90% white and he only spoke Mandarin. They are probably descended from the Indo European Tocharians who lived in Gansu during the Qin dynasty. Liqian village has a high concentration of them. The Roman descent theory is BS as I said they are most likely Tocharian descendants.

Probably Tocharian are just Finns of the East.

 

[Kolaps]

I support ChineseTiger1986.

It has nothing to do with ideology for me. I don't care about ideology, socialism or capitalism or whatever. I only care about what is practical.

The CCP is the government of China, that is the fact. And the CCP is currently our best practical chance of returning China to a powerful position in the world.

Also, I have nothing against Taiwanese. I know some Taiwanese who are very pro-China and who are Chinese nationalists.

A lot of Chinese people don't see CCP and China as communist anymore. Like you said, everything is about practical.

But what if these people forced to bowing Mao Zedong statue, sing praising communism and sworn loyalty to communism? Officially CCP and China is a communist. Any official ceremony held in communist tradition. Everyone will hugely shock.

Many Taiwanese don't saw mainland as a communist anymore. But they can't imagine if they should sing communist song and sworn loyalty to communism. There will be huge riots. That is crazy!!!

Well, I'm proposing the best solution for it. Get rid any communist element in China and CCP (they are no longer communist anymore). Any problem will be solved, smoothly.

 

[Kolaps]

CPC offers them the one country two systems policy, yet those greedy KMT parasites are still not satisfied and wanna take the whole China.

Just look at the KMT corruption on a tiny Taiwan, you cannot imagine if they have the whole Mainland China.

The corruption survey was done by mainland communist worshiper company! Extremely biased and full of lies!!! They probably surveyed it in mainland but relabeled as Taiwan.

We still need more time to observe and judge mainland's one country two systems policy in HK case...it turn out to be very bad so far...

I think, my solution is much much better.

 

[Kolaps]

Well, try to tell this to Sonyuke_Songpaisan, he probably will go nut as you are telling him that his beloved KMT are nothing, but a bunch of slaves to the Japanese dogs.

KMT is not a Japanese worshiper.

It's the others...

Actually mainland is the only hope and can fix this problem, by doing good. So far, mainland destroyed their own image, that makes every Chinese feel shameful. No wonder if some Taiwanese feel...it's better to sworn allegiance to Japanese rather than lowly Chinese.

 

[Kolaps]

You worship the western capitalism 100%, thus you are not qualified to speak for the behalf of China.

China by its root is always moderate, thus we will always be moderate between socialism and capitalism.

CPC is trying the 50% socialism and 50% capitalism.

As for the strategic sector, it must remain state-controlled in order prevent the financial incursion of the foreign states.

As for the civilian sector, it can be private-controlled in order to increase more competition.

China by its nature prefers to be controlled by a strong authoritarian government. Without this, China would be divided and being conquered easily by the western power.

The western world hates CPC not because the so-called bullsh1t human right, but CPC makes China united and prevents them to conquer China like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You are an braindead western worshipper, thus you should STFU.

You are doubting that Chinese people are a good capitalist? Culture that hugely developed from market economy.

It's true if we have a strong socialism from Confucianism.


CCP is no longer communist anymore. You are twisting it. Like saying China naturally suit with authoritarian government. CCP is good example of authoritarian government. That is why any Chinese should bowing under communism.

I'm half-agree with the authoritarian and meritocracy stuff. And China from Confucianism is also people's country too, strong in people power. But it doesn't mean we should bowing under communism (and democracy too).

 

[NiceGuy]

CPC has betrayed its former white master, but KMT does not yet break away from USA.

Your KMTers will always be the spineless dogs just like your eunuch leader Ma.

Peaceful unification wt TW is just a wet dream, so China should support Vn to conquer ThaiLand-another US's dog and kick US out of ASEAN region. We will help u to take back Thailand to return the favour. You scratch our back and we'll scratch yours

China is big, but its army suck and coward, cant fight against US. VN have invincible armed forces,can crush US's army like insects, but we r small and lack of support, so we should colaborate to gain mutal benefit When US is kicked out of Aisan region, then u can be Emperor of the North, we we will be emperor of the South as usual.

Mao Zedong should read this!

But I don't think communist revolution will happen in China, nor other developed countries.

Seeing Chinese people behavior, they actually fit with the current capitalism, free market economy system. Market economy itself invented by Shennong thousands years ago, along with the probably world first coin/money, seashell, later paper money. It's deep rooted in Chinese blood.

And I don't think it going to be communist revolution in other developed countries like EU and US. As today, economy crisis proven that lavish socialist program is the main cause of government budget deficit and economy sluggishness.

Werstern Govts r overindulge their people. Asian communist nations(if any) should not make the same mistake

 

[FlowerSummer]

CPC has betrayed its former white master, but KMT does not yet break away from USA.

Your KMTers will always be the spineless dogs just like your eunuch leader Ma.

As long as they preach "according to Marx said" left and "according to Mao said" right all day and night, both their mind and soul are still being fvck continuously all day and night by their white masters. And worse is, they are excited and having orga$m from these western ideology opium, the true opium of the mind and soul, imported from the west.

You can curse KMT all you want, but please dont group me with that $hit. For me, CCP and KMT are just dog $hit and cat $hit respectively. Dont ask me which one I like, and dont even try to group me with them, because I hate $hit party.

 

[NiceGuy]

As long as they preach "according to Marx said" left and "according to Mao said" right all day and night, both their mind and soul are still being fvck continuously all day and night by their white masters. And worse is, they are excited and having orga$m from these western ideology opium, the true opium of the mind and soul, imported from the west.

You can curse KMT all you want, but please dont group me with that $hit. For me, CCP and KMT are just dog $hit and cat $hit respectively. Dont ask me which one I like, and dont even try to group me with them, because I hate $hit party.

Right, we VN fed up with those US's dogs in ASEAN barking day and night, too. Time to collaborate wt VN to scoop up all of those $hit and throw them back to the West

 

[FlowerSummer]

I support ChineseTiger1986.

It has nothing to do with ideology for me. I don't care about ideology, socialism or capitalism or whatever. I only care about what is practical.

The CCP is the government of China, that is the fact. And the CCP is currently our best practical chance of returning China to a powerful position in the world.

Also, I have nothing against Taiwanese. I know some Taiwanese who are very pro-China and who are Chinese nationalists.

I actually didnt give a **** about ideologies which and which, but when I saw CCP and their braindead followers preach communism as the ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE just like how those christians preach their god, I really cant stand it!

For me, ideologies are tools, and communism, socialism, democracy etc are IMPORTED TOOLS!
We can use tools, but we should not preach tools as ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE like a braindead zealot.
We can use imported tools, but we should never RELY ON THESE IMPORTED TOOLS AND PUT THESE IMPORTED TOOLS HIGHER PRIORITIES THAN OUR HOMEMADE TOOLS!

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

I actually didnt give a **** about ideologies which and which, but when I saw CCP and their braindead followers preach communism as the ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE just like how those christians preach their god, I really cant stand it!

For me, ideologies are tools, and communism, socialism, democracy etc are IMPORTED TOOLS!
We can use tools, but we should not preach tools as ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE like a braindead zealot.
We can use imported tools, but we should never RELY ON THESE IMPORTED TOOLS AND PUT THESE IMPORTED TOOLS HIGHER PRIORITIES THAN OUR HOMEMADE TOOLS!

May i ask you what your "perfect" China looks like ?

Personally i support the current CCP government not based on any communist ideology. If you read my post on economic matters its quite the opposite of communism. I support them based on the fact that they have been able to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and ended starvation in China and has build a infrastructure, industrial and science base for China that was previously unimaginable.

I'm not blind to the downside of their rule like corruption, power abuse, repression and many other things. But this is still the best that the Chinese have had since a very long time. And despite of these things the country is still progressing. Yes' the economy is now beginning to show cracks but if they take the right measures the country could come out of it stronger.

As for Taiwan i'm perfectly happy with the current status quo. I don't think there will be a war if Taiwan doesn't declare formal independence.

 

[Wholegrain]

I thought Tocharian are Uighur?




Probably Tocharian are just Finns of the East.

Tocharians lived in both the Tarim Basin and Gansu province. The ones in the Tarim Basin mixed with Karluk Turkic tribes and became Uyghur, the ones in Gansu mixed with Han and now their descendants still live in Gansu and identify as Han.